1 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:25,210 [Music] 2 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:28,580 this hope radio for the masses as lying 3 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:32,390 above in July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:34,010 with has announced that a flying bear 5 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:35,930 has been found and is now in the 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:38,510 possession of the RA the game is rigged 7 00:00:43,450 --> 00:00:40,010 changed the game 8 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:43,460 GameChanger I occasionally think how 9 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:46,670 quickly our differences worldwide would 10 00:00:54,820 --> 00:00:50,449 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 11 00:01:00,060 --> 00:00:57,720 [Applause] 12 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:00,070 this is fade to black with your host 13 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:03,040 Jimmy Church on the game changer radio 14 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:06,190 network and a GRA with global radio 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:08,280 alliance 16 00:01:18,910 --> 00:01:15,210 I need your help to the year 1985 17 00:01:21,070 --> 00:01:18,920 [Music] 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:21,080 you're listening to fade to black with 19 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:23,210 Jimmy judge on the game change in that 20 00:01:27,550 --> 00:01:23,990 word 21 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:27,560 [Music] 22 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:33,430 all right good evening fade to black 23 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:47,639 [Music] 24 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:55,310 today's Wednesday August 22nd 2018 235 25 00:02:04,630 --> 00:01:59,090 days into the new year just 130 days 26 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:04,640 left and as always that's right we are 27 00:02:09,139 --> 00:02:07,680 live from a bunker 28 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:09,149 right in the middle of beautiful 29 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:13,290 downtown Burbank California I would like 30 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:14,850 to welcome everybody listing all around 31 00:02:20,330 --> 00:02:17,450 the world all across the United States 32 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:20,340 hither and thither too and throw back 33 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:22,320 and forth up and down east and west 34 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:27,030 north and south far and near 35 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:29,730 this is fade to black for kjc are the 36 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:31,770 game changer Network and K GRA the 37 00:02:37,570 --> 00:02:34,050 planet them you know should be Church 38 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:37,580 what is rack and everybody how you doing 39 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:43,680 how you doing how you doing it's gonna 40 00:02:55,570 --> 00:02:51,370 because our very special guest is 41 00:03:00,210 --> 00:02:55,580 Richard bleep indolent that's right he's 42 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:00,220 back tonight everything is on the table 43 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:02,660 we're gonna discuss all the latest news 44 00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:06,770 in our UFO community that's right 45 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:10,480 remember TTS a to the Stars Academy 46 00:03:17,890 --> 00:03:14,600 remember that talk about that 47 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:17,900 I think we're gonna discuss guy at TV 48 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:21,920 tonight that's right discuss some recent 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:25,790 sightings and of course the alleged next 50 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:28,010 book of his on false Flags tomorrow 51 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:29,690 night is another Fator night with Jon 52 00:03:35,020 --> 00:03:31,610 Rappoport and is no more fake newsroom 53 00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:35,030 live that's tomorrow night followed by 54 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:39,110 open lines all night long okay 55 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:42,650 ight man maybe tonight I don't know I 56 00:03:47,140 --> 00:03:44,750 don't know maybe we'll take some phone 57 00:03:50,050 --> 00:03:47,150 calls with Richard we'll see we always 58 00:03:53,170 --> 00:03:50,060 run out of time with with mr. Dolan and 59 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:53,180 tonight's gonna be no exception he was 60 00:03:56,890 --> 00:03:55,490 texting me before the show he's probably 61 00:03:59,740 --> 00:03:56,900 listening right now so I'll tell you 62 00:04:02,290 --> 00:03:59,750 what he texted he goes what we're only 63 00:04:07,150 --> 00:04:02,300 doing two hours Church I need four with 64 00:04:10,810 --> 00:04:07,160 you my man I was like I know right nah 65 00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:10,820 he didn't yeah he did what me he almost 66 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:14,990 said that he meant to say that love it 67 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:16,340 wouldn't Richards on the show I can't 68 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:18,170 believe it's been it's been so long 69 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:20,870 we've had him on you know little special 70 00:04:26,590 --> 00:04:24,620 things here and there but it's been good 71 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:26,600 it's been like a year I've had him on 72 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:28,760 coast I just can't believe it's been 73 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:30,290 that long since he's been on the show 74 00:04:36,010 --> 00:04:32,750 so anyway Richard Dolan tonight very 75 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:36,020 excited to have somebody in here who and 76 00:04:43,690 --> 00:04:38,090 I say this all the time but it's really 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:43,700 true Richard represents us and and I am 78 00:04:48,670 --> 00:04:46,610 so proud when he's out there you know 79 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:48,680 doing his thing whether it's its radio 80 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:52,130 or TV or conferences and that's it and I 81 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:53,450 listen to Richard speak I might just 82 00:04:59,890 --> 00:04:56,320 step back an hour watch I go you know 83 00:05:01,750 --> 00:04:59,900 people get it you know that's that's one 84 00:05:04,660 --> 00:05:01,760 thing they get it with his deliver 85 00:05:07,570 --> 00:05:04,670 but the second thing is is he comes from 86 00:05:10,330 --> 00:05:07,580 this his story and educated background 87 00:05:14,260 --> 00:05:10,340 and he knows how to speak and he 88 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:14,270 represents us and I'm just glad just 89 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:18,410 glad sorry wait tonight Richards on the 90 00:05:26,410 --> 00:05:21,860 show today is Juan crusiers birthday 91 00:05:30,670 --> 00:05:26,420 he's 59 I didn't know I did that that 92 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:30,680 escaped me mom coochie a from rat the 93 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:34,310 bass player from rad Wow to trip 59 94 00:05:39,820 --> 00:05:36,760 years old what word of the time go right 95 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:39,830 okay don't forget to follow us and go 96 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:42,500 and register over at on stellar ons te 97 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:46,010 ll AR comm on stellar comm you can 98 00:05:51,850 --> 00:05:48,800 follow me on twitter @jj radio Facebook 99 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:51,860 is still alive and kicking I don't know 100 00:05:56,470 --> 00:05:53,930 for how much longer but it's still there 101 00:05:58,930 --> 00:05:56,480 and of course YouTube which is giving me 102 00:06:00,820 --> 00:05:58,940 hassles today too as well and yesterday 103 00:06:02,890 --> 00:06:00,830 the day before 104 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:02,900 there you go I'm just I'm just writing 105 00:06:07,030 --> 00:06:04,790 that out but YouTube is still there 106 00:06:08,620 --> 00:06:07,040 and if you want to go and chase us down 107 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:08,630 everything is to be turrets or fade to 108 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:10,970 black it's simple enough to do and you 109 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:12,440 can go follow like and subscribe 110 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:14,990 whatever social media platform is your 111 00:06:19,750 --> 00:06:17,510 taste you can go and do it if you want 112 00:06:21,070 --> 00:06:19,760 to hang out with us on Twitter hashtag 113 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:21,080 f2b 114 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:24,010 is the place to go to that's our sandbox 115 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:28,010 we have to chat rooms open tonight of 116 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:29,930 course every single night and we have to 117 00:06:37,090 --> 00:06:32,720 chat rooms open one over k GRA the 118 00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:37,100 planet and of course spreaker.com and 119 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:38,390 there you go 120 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:42,560 pick your poison mmm man I love coffee 121 00:06:51,550 --> 00:06:48,200 and I love coffee with like two or three 122 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:51,560 extra shots of espresso then it gets to 123 00:06:57,580 --> 00:06:53,930 where it needs to be hey where am i 124 00:06:59,800 --> 00:06:57,590 dancing gift tonight am i ok guess there 125 00:07:02,380 --> 00:06:59,810 is a few ok I take it back there's Elvis 126 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:02,390 okay all right my bad it just slipped by 127 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:04,820 me alright you can also email throughout 128 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:06,800 the show tonight Jimmy at Jimmy Church 129 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:10,400 radio calm a couple of program notes 130 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:14,840 I am I normally don't leak this but 131 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:19,750 I'm going to just let you guys know that 132 00:07:24,969 --> 00:07:23,300 this weekend I'm gonna be over at 133 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:24,979 coast-to-coast I'll just be doing this 134 00:07:32,379 --> 00:07:29,050 Saturday and so that's this weekend and 135 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:32,389 my guests are Peter Maxwell Slattery and 136 00:07:39,610 --> 00:07:34,780 Laura can - that'll be this Saturday 137 00:07:44,170 --> 00:07:39,620 next Saturday September 20 seconds 138 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:44,180 I'm sorry September 1st I'll be back so 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:46,160 a week later I'm over a coast and then a 140 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:49,130 week or two after that which is 141 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:52,810 September 22nd I'm over a coast and then 142 00:08:00,969 --> 00:07:55,070 through the month of October and 143 00:08:04,090 --> 00:08:00,979 November so I thought we were gonna get 144 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:04,100 a break but yeah so I'll be over at 145 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:07,280 coast this Saturday and Peter Maxwell 146 00:08:12,460 --> 00:08:09,710 Slattery and Laura can't - both of them 147 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:12,470 have this will be for the both of them 148 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:14,120 their first time appearance is over at 149 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:16,370 coast to coast and I'm really surprised 150 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:19,520 about that but what's really cool when 151 00:08:26,650 --> 00:08:22,479 that happens just like unfading 152 00:08:29,379 --> 00:08:26,660 introducing the coast audience to to new 153 00:08:32,199 --> 00:08:29,389 talent and fresh faces is something that 154 00:08:34,029 --> 00:08:32,209 I really really enjoy so Coast audience 155 00:08:37,420 --> 00:08:34,039 get ready for that Peter Maxwell 156 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:37,430 Slattery and Laura can't - this Saturday 157 00:08:44,710 --> 00:08:39,529 over on coast to coast I already got 158 00:08:47,710 --> 00:08:44,720 some breaking news and you know I saw 159 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:47,720 this ramping up over the last week or 160 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:52,250 two but a gang of earthquakes a gang a 161 00:08:58,870 --> 00:08:55,250 gang of earthquakes has hit the Pacific 162 00:09:01,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Ring of Fire and it's been going on all 163 00:09:03,550 --> 00:09:01,250 week long prompting me to wonder if it's 164 00:09:08,019 --> 00:09:03,560 a precursor you know - the big one I 165 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:08,029 certainly hope not but 69 earthquakes 166 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:13,430 including another 16 tremors just 167 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:16,900 tremors the tremors 16 tremors that were 168 00:09:21,850 --> 00:09:20,270 4.5 or above on the Richter scale have 169 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:21,860 recently hit the area and that's 170 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:24,740 according to the USGS which recorded the 171 00:09:34,369 --> 00:09:27,490 events but did not issue a warrant 172 00:09:39,109 --> 00:09:34,379 of the 69 earthquakes 53 hit the area on 173 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:39,119 Sunday a massive earthquake registering 174 00:09:44,249 --> 00:09:42,220 8.2 also hit on Sunday that caught my 175 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:44,259 eye I don't know if you guys saw it came 176 00:09:49,919 --> 00:09:44,889 and went 177 00:09:54,269 --> 00:09:49,929 it was 175 miles north north east of boy 178 00:09:57,900 --> 00:09:54,279 island in Fiji it was so deep in the 179 00:10:01,230 --> 00:09:57,910 earth that they decided not to issue a 180 00:10:03,780 --> 00:10:01,240 tsunami warning but that is an awful lot 181 00:10:08,069 --> 00:10:03,790 of earthquakes now there's another part 182 00:10:12,329 --> 00:10:08,079 to this to us well you know there's 450 183 00:10:15,749 --> 00:10:12,339 active volcanoes in the Ring of Fire 90% 184 00:10:17,699 --> 00:10:15,759 of the world's volcanoes are right there 185 00:10:20,189 --> 00:10:17,709 in that little horseshoe shaped ring 186 00:10:24,359 --> 00:10:20,199 right so there's that part of it and 187 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:24,369 they are active so what is going on out 188 00:10:30,329 --> 00:10:26,860 there I don't want to I'm not all doom 189 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:30,339 and gloom I'm not but it just feels feel 190 00:10:36,869 --> 00:10:34,809 strange other nature man burping we'll 191 00:10:39,389 --> 00:10:36,879 see we'll see all right don't forget to 192 00:10:42,569 --> 00:10:39,399 subscribe to our podcast where we have 193 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:42,579 over 900 archived shows custom apps 194 00:10:48,269 --> 00:10:44,860 Apple Android all platforms it's just 195 00:10:50,489 --> 00:10:48,279 two dollars a month and you get the 196 00:10:53,069 --> 00:10:50,499 great apps everything's updated and and 197 00:10:56,460 --> 00:10:53,079 done every single day it's just amazing 198 00:10:59,309 --> 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let's 227 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:17,120 get this show cracking happy birthday to 228 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:23,600 today Kristen Wiig today is 45 and you 229 00:12:29,020 --> 00:12:25,970 may you may know her from Saturday Night 230 00:12:31,990 --> 00:12:29,030 Live or bridesmaids or ghostbusters 231 00:12:37,380 --> 00:12:32,000 knocked up but not for me 232 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:37,390 now it's The Secret Life of Walter Mitty 233 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:41,120 have you seen that the remake it's 234 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:43,760 amazing and and the movie the movie is 235 00:12:48,430 --> 00:12:45,650 really good Ben Stiller knocks it out of 236 00:12:52,420 --> 00:12:48,440 the park and so does Kristen Wiig but 237 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:52,430 it's not even that it's her cover of 238 00:13:02,200 --> 00:12:57,770 David Bowie's Space Oddity she slays the 239 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:02,210 dragon it is so good you've got to check 240 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:02,930 it out 241 00:13:07,930 --> 00:13:05,120 The Secret Life of Walter Mitty it's 242 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:07,940 really really well done all right the 243 00:13:14,890 --> 00:13:11,680 Ring of Fire must be the hot sauce IPD 244 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:14,900 come on man behave behave I gotta 245 00:13:20,620 --> 00:13:17,600 concentrate all right our dead guys 246 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:20,630 birthday today moment of silence please 247 00:13:31,450 --> 00:13:29,510 for mr. Layne Staley 1967 to 2002 died 248 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:31,460 at the age of 34 lead vocalist 249 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:33,290 occasional rhythm guitarist and 250 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:35,930 co-songwriter of Allison chains from 251 00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:40,930 1987 until 1998 for a mid 1996 onwards 252 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:43,430 Staley was completely out of the public 253 00:13:49,420 --> 00:13:46,430 eye that's right never to perform live 254 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:49,430 again he struggled much of his life with 255 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:51,530 an adult life with a depression and drug 256 00:13:58,910 --> 00:13:54,030 addiction which resulted in his death 257 00:14:02,420 --> 00:13:58,920 the age of 34 on April 5th 2002 258 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:02,430 happy birthday lane on the same history 259 00:14:11,450 --> 00:14:08,760 OTD 1982 OTD the shootings at Ruby Ridge 260 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:11,460 and the second day of a standoff at 261 00:14:17,930 --> 00:14:14,250 Randy Weaver's remote northern Idaho 262 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:17,940 cabin atop Ruby Ridge FBI sharpshooter 263 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:18,570 lon 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:22,250 horrid Gucci that's right Hori gucci 265 00:14:30,950 --> 00:14:25,770 wounds Randy Weaver his son and Kevin 266 00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:30,960 Harris and then and then kills Weaver's 267 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:35,580 wife Vicky was it did they wounded Randy 268 00:14:39,730 --> 00:14:37,140 and Kevin Harris I thought if they 269 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:39,740 wounded a son so it was Randy Weaver was 270 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:42,450 wounded not his son or someone out to 271 00:14:50,270 --> 00:14:47,580 get the dog right and unbelievable on 272 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:50,280 this day in 1992 I didn't want to think 273 00:15:01,400 --> 00:14:54,270 about a fader fact here we go alright 274 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:01,410 fader fact write this one down free 275 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:08,070 weights at your gym free weights at the 276 00:15:21,730 --> 00:15:16,050 gym that you work out at have 362 times 277 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:21,740 more bacteria than a toilet seat and 278 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:29,490 that that is your fader fact tonight 279 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:31,410 very special guest is with this Richard 280 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:34,290 bleep and Dolan and I normally would say 281 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:36,570 he is back but man it's been a long time 282 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:37,890 since he's been here 283 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:40,830 so it's just another show with Richard 284 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:42,360 bleep and Dolan and tonight we're gonna 285 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:43,830 go through everything in the UFO 286 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:47,790 community and I don't want to hold back 287 00:15:52,610 --> 00:15:50,370 he never does so we're gonna go there 288 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:52,620 tonight for two straight hours tomorrow 289 00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:54,390 night is another Fator night which ion 290 00:16:00,590 --> 00:15:56,070 Rapoport and his somewhere fake newsroom 291 00:16:03,370 --> 00:16:00,600 live with open lines all night long all 292 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:03,380 right let me hit this River moon coffee 293 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:07,620 promo code F to be blend 294 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:17,580 yeah everyday everyday every single day 295 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:22,950 I get a little smarter I do I get 296 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:24,500 smarter 297 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:30,650 that's what life is all about learning 298 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:37,380 learning something every single day last 299 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:39,930 night we had dr. Robert Schoch on the 300 00:16:44,690 --> 00:16:42,540 show and it was an amazing conversation 301 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:44,700 and we were talking about the Big Bang 302 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:46,650 you remember that at the beginning of 303 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:50,820 the show and the universe expanding and 304 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:54,440 contracting and you know dark energy and 305 00:16:59,510 --> 00:16:57,180 you know contracting back to nothing the 306 00:17:02,270 --> 00:16:59,520 cycle of the universe the alleged the 307 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:02,280 theory you know and then starting all 308 00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:06,900 over with another big bang and my 309 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:12,540 concern with this is everything changing 310 00:17:19,190 --> 00:17:16,790 from something created in other words 311 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:19,200 you know you start from the Big Bang you 312 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:21,209 start with a an or energy and that 313 00:17:25,220 --> 00:17:23,610 energy over about three hundred four 314 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:25,230 hundred thousand year period started 315 00:17:28,850 --> 00:17:26,850 colliding with the self and the elements 316 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:28,860 were created and stars were created and 317 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:31,500 planning and you know and so on and so 318 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:33,990 on and so on and here we are today 13.8 319 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:38,760 billion years later right okay but if 320 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:41,970 it's going to reverse direction our 321 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:46,110 universe and and compact back onto 322 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:49,730 itself to restart the Big Bang then 323 00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:52,710 you've got to change everything back 324 00:17:59,780 --> 00:17:57,000 from something to energy you know rocks 325 00:18:02,390 --> 00:17:59,790 dirt water elements all of it right back 326 00:18:04,340 --> 00:18:02,400 into energy and he suggested that 327 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:04,350 antimatter could do it and I was like 328 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:06,770 wow whoa big light bulb went off 329 00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:09,360 antimatter colliding with the matter in 330 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:11,340 the universe is collapsing on itself and 331 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:13,470 collapsing the the matter into the 332 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:15,270 antimatter and turning everything back 333 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:17,510 into energy made sense at the time 334 00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:20,630 right and okay I'm 335 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:25,580 good with it so I filed that away for 336 00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:27,650 future reference I'm gonna go tap back 337 00:18:32,650 --> 00:18:29,840 into that little nugget of knowledge 338 00:18:35,170 --> 00:18:32,660 from shock last night and it's and 339 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:35,180 hasn't gone anywhere but after the show 340 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:39,110 I continued some research on the subject 341 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:42,050 I've been studying this for years and 342 00:18:47,890 --> 00:18:44,390 have really really spent a lot of time 343 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:47,900 on it over the last year a lot and I 344 00:18:53,650 --> 00:18:49,430 jump back into it last night after the 345 00:18:58,530 --> 00:18:53,660 show and today today I'm right back 346 00:19:03,910 --> 00:18:58,540 where I was before the show last night 347 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,920 yeah you see you have to look at it like 348 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:06,080 this we have we have matter 349 00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:07,850 we have antimatter we have dark matter 350 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:10,160 we have dark energy and we have gravity 351 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:11,810 these are all of the things that are 352 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:15,530 working in in our universe all right in 353 00:19:20,050 --> 00:19:18,110 our solar system everywhere well I'm not 354 00:19:21,670 --> 00:19:20,060 sure how much dark energy and dark 355 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:21,680 matter are inside of our solar system 356 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:24,590 but certainly outside of our galaxy this 357 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:26,750 stuff is all going nuts but we do have 358 00:19:31,930 --> 00:19:29,030 gravity here and although we don't 359 00:19:36,790 --> 00:19:31,940 understand anything about gravity other 360 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:36,800 than it exists and listen go and talk to 361 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:39,260 any physicist that you want to 362 00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,690 theoretical physicists theoretical 363 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,240 cosmologists whoever you want to talk to 364 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:46,880 and ask him about gravity or ask him 365 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,410 about time and you're gonna get a 366 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:50,480 different answer from each one nobody 367 00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,840 knows nothing we don't well you know 368 00:19:59,890 --> 00:19:56,000 what we know about gravity we know we 369 00:20:02,380 --> 00:19:59,900 know this about gravity it sucks right 370 00:20:05,620 --> 00:20:02,390 it sucks right it sucks 371 00:20:08,890 --> 00:20:05,630 this is you know it sucks right it's 372 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,900 sucking we know that about gravity but 373 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:11,120 everything else on what cause we don't 374 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:14,030 know we don't know we just know it 375 00:20:17,530 --> 00:20:14,650 exists 376 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:17,540 it's what holds our galaxies together 377 00:20:21,370 --> 00:20:20,930 and things are in different stages all 378 00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:21,380 right 379 00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:23,900 there's different things going on but 380 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:26,870 that's what gravity is is doing inside 381 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:29,090 of our galaxy and and everything inside 382 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:32,810 of our galaxy dark energy on the other 383 00:20:35,509 --> 00:20:33,570 hand 384 00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:35,519 which is something that we know even 385 00:20:43,099 --> 00:20:39,600 less about then gravity okay which is 386 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:43,109 you know very close to nothing dark 387 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:44,879 energy is pushing everything outward 388 00:20:50,269 --> 00:20:48,570 it's like the opposite of gravity right 389 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:50,279 the universe is an ever expanding 390 00:20:57,649 --> 00:20:53,629 balloon with this dark energy pushing 391 00:21:00,349 --> 00:20:57,659 everything out and we think today that 392 00:21:03,109 --> 00:21:00,359 it makes up as much as 80% of our 393 00:21:07,249 --> 00:21:03,119 universe is dark energy and we don't 394 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:07,259 know anything about it we don't right 395 00:21:13,129 --> 00:21:09,809 just theoretically that is what's 396 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:13,139 pushing everything out and because of 397 00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:16,049 that and especially that we don't 398 00:21:21,469 --> 00:21:18,419 understand much about it I don't see it 399 00:21:23,419 --> 00:21:21,479 reversing I just don't the dark energy 400 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:23,429 is pushing everything apart I don't know 401 00:21:27,979 --> 00:21:25,590 what is gonna be the end of anything or 402 00:21:32,690 --> 00:21:27,989 if we're gonna eventually collide into 403 00:21:35,409 --> 00:21:32,700 another universe in in about a billion 404 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:35,419 years oh okay 405 00:21:40,659 --> 00:21:38,129 which brings me to this next thought and 406 00:21:43,879 --> 00:21:40,669 I'm gonna get that to that in a second 407 00:21:46,489 --> 00:21:43,889 the the universe is expanding and 408 00:21:47,899 --> 00:21:46,499 eventually when you get outside of our 409 00:21:52,129 --> 00:21:47,909 galaxy you're not gonna see anything 410 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,139 there except the closest galaxies to us 411 00:22:00,499 --> 00:21:54,960 the closest galaxies does is Andromeda 412 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:00,509 and Andromeda isn't moving away from us 413 00:22:08,899 --> 00:22:03,049 with the rest of the universe it is not 414 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:08,909 no it's in some kind of weird tide and 415 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,369 it's coming towards us it's coming to 416 00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:13,919 the Milky Way and in about a billion 417 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:16,799 years if we round to hang out for it 418 00:22:22,609 --> 00:22:20,369 it's gonna collide eventually with the 419 00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:22,619 Milky Way so if you ever wonder how long 420 00:22:27,589 --> 00:22:25,559 would it take for us to to jet out to 421 00:22:30,379 --> 00:22:27,599 Andromeda and it's it's a long ways away 422 00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:30,389 but it would take a long time but if you 423 00:22:35,239 --> 00:22:33,419 just hang out here every day and rahmat 424 00:22:37,609 --> 00:22:35,249 is getting a little bit closer so 425 00:22:39,979 --> 00:22:37,619 eventually we'll just be able to you 426 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:39,989 know just just just hop skip and jump 427 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:42,450 over to it and dromeda is heading this 428 00:22:45,859 --> 00:22:42,720 way 429 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:45,869 so which brought me to all of these 430 00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:47,290 weird thoughts 431 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:54,400 you are having I didn't get any sleep 432 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,850 last night this came to me around 4:00 433 00:23:02,370 --> 00:23:00,400 a.m. in the morning and it wasn't 434 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:02,380 original because I've had it over and 435 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:06,720 over and over again but how is it 436 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:10,800 possible that I have these thoughts that 437 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,050 that I have these concerns how is it 438 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:16,000 possible let me explain 439 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:21,160 do animals think like this probably not 440 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:24,820 I don't see any lemurs you know sitting 441 00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:26,950 on their hands behind their head just 442 00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:33,780 man how did we get here you know no but 443 00:23:40,530 --> 00:23:36,160 something is making me think this way 444 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:40,540 and I can't get my mind off of it I'm 445 00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:43,930 losing sleep I'm studying I'm trying to 446 00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:47,080 figure this stuff out and I'm finding 447 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:49,960 out that all of the great scientists out 448 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:50,410 there 449 00:23:56,820 --> 00:23:53,770 all of them are reversing even what they 450 00:24:00,570 --> 00:23:56,830 felt pretty good about 20-30 years ago 451 00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:00,580 all right they've reversed course the 452 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:04,390 more the more that I think about it the 453 00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:07,720 more that I'm convinced that we have 454 00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:10,590 nothing to do with Earth 455 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:15,300 yeah and and I think that's the haunting 456 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:18,490 thing these memories the stuff is in our 457 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:21,490 DNA where we're getting we're getting 458 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:25,810 closer to figuring it out because we 459 00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:31,170 were brought here there is no evidence 460 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:34,630 anywhere about how we just managed to 461 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:38,770 evolve over 200,000 years into us and 462 00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:40,150 all of you 463 00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:44,620 amateur anthropologists out there you 464 00:24:50,370 --> 00:24:47,920 haven't you're historians save it don't 465 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:50,380 post anywhere don't send me any email 466 00:24:57,620 --> 00:24:52,780 Church you don't know nothing I do I 467 00:25:00,220 --> 00:24:57,630 know a lot and we were just brought here 468 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:00,230 there isn't anything 469 00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,070 where that says how we evolved it's just 470 00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,320 impossible it's impossible to do what we 471 00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:07,520 have done over two hundred thousand 472 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:11,840 years there's no way we are getting 473 00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:15,710 smarter and smarter every single day and 474 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:19,580 this one question is still not answered 475 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:24,770 why because we didn't evolve here that's 476 00:25:31,270 --> 00:25:27,710 why and there's no way to prove it 477 00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:31,280 because it just doesn't exist not on 478 00:25:36,610 --> 00:25:35,120 this planet anyway we keep going back 479 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:36,620 and we're trying to find the fossil 480 00:25:40,150 --> 00:25:37,910 record we're trying to figure it out 481 00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,160 we're trying to then how differ 482 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,120 comb Agnon and that's just going 483 00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:46,400 straight or Pittacus and the links and 484 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:48,440 it just doesn't exist and we're trying 485 00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:51,290 to make it work but we can't because 486 00:25:58,930 --> 00:25:55,760 it's not there there is no way that we 487 00:25:59,500 --> 00:25:58,940 involved we evolved into who we are 488 00:26:01,870 --> 00:25:59,510 today 489 00:26:04,150 --> 00:26:01,880 we are the only thing on this planet 490 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:04,160 that does what we do and it's because we 491 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:06,530 were brought here and I'm laying awake 492 00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:10,150 at night thinking about this and 493 00:26:15,730 --> 00:26:13,460 contemplating what makes us so unique on 494 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:15,740 this planet why hasn't anything else 495 00:26:20,830 --> 00:26:18,020 evolved why hasn't anything else change 496 00:26:23,260 --> 00:26:20,840 was it anything else more not over two 497 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:23,270 hundred thousand years over tens of 498 00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:25,450 millions of years nothing has changed 499 00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:28,120 nothing has changed 500 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:33,140 I'm I'm convinced that we were brought 501 00:26:39,159 --> 00:26:36,110 here and this this information our 502 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,169 history it's in our DNA and it is 503 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,320 surfacing and it is forcing us to ask 504 00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,520 these very important questions 505 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:48,640 historians anthropologists professors 506 00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:51,890 phd's professionals they can't answer 507 00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:55,400 these questions they cannot do it they 508 00:27:02,260 --> 00:26:58,070 can't they can't i will go toe-to-toe 509 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:02,270 with anybody any academic professional 510 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:05,210 I'll go toe-to-toe on this they can 511 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:09,770 argue the dogma but they can't prove 512 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:13,510 anything it doesn't exist 513 00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:15,710 right alright 514 00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:18,470 this is fade to black tonight's gonna be 515 00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:22,670 an epic show why Richard bleep and Dolan 516 00:27:26,170 --> 00:27:24,830 is here tomorrow night we're gonna have 517 00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:26,180 John map report here with us no more 518 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:28,280 fake newsroom we're gonna be taking your 519 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:32,380 phone calls all night long now next week 520 00:27:39,010 --> 00:27:35,480 yeah I got your email you know who sent 521 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:39,020 it I read the post on Twitter next week 522 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:41,510 I'm gonna do a Twitter night okay so 523 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:45,970 next week it's just gonna be you and I 524 00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:49,280 okay so get prepared for that that'll be 525 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:52,340 next week and the lineup that we have oh 526 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:54,410 by the way I 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00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:09,730 world's leading researchers and writers 612 00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:12,730 on the subject of UFOs that's right and 613 00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,860 he believes they constitute the greatest 614 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:16,980 mystery of our time because it does 615 00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,630 Richard completed his graduate graduate 616 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,279 work at the University of Rochester 617 00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:24,179 where he studied us cold war strategy 618 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:25,960 European history and international 619 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:29,260 diplomacy before that he had studied at 620 00:33:33,389 --> 00:33:31,630 Alfred University in Oxford University 621 00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:33,399 and he has been a finalist for a Rhodes 622 00:33:37,379 --> 00:33:35,590 Scholarship he's the author of UFOs and 623 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:37,389 national security state he co-authored 624 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:40,330 with Bryce Abel ad after disclosure and 625 00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:42,730 his latest book UFOs in the 21st century 626 00:33:46,590 --> 00:33:44,980 mind yes and of course I'm gonna ask him 627 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:46,600 about his forthcoming book on false 628 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:49,210 flags he also hosts his weekly radio 629 00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:51,820 show right here on KCRA the Richard 630 00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:54,220 Dolan show and he's a frequent guest 631 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:56,950 over at coast-to-coast am and he's 632 00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:58,690 currently featured on many television 633 00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:00,190 series and documentaries including 634 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:02,679 ancient aliens hangar 1 UFO FILES Close 635 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,350 Encounters and he's also got his new 636 00:34:12,059 --> 00:34:08,800 show over on gaia TV in addition to his 637 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:12,069 research he has Richard Dolan press and 638 00:34:15,629 --> 00:34:14,260 he actively publishes innovative books 639 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:15,639 about authors from around the world 640 00:34:20,849 --> 00:34:18,190 tonight the gloves are round we're gonna 641 00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:20,859 discuss everything inside and outside of 642 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:23,109 our UFO community and I would like to 643 00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:24,490 welcome back to fade to black the one 644 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:27,669 and only Richard bleep and Dolan Richard 645 00:34:31,169 --> 00:34:28,409 good evening 646 00:34:33,869 --> 00:34:31,179 hello Jimmy mr. Jimmy it's a pleasure to 647 00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:33,879 be here it's do you know how long it's 648 00:34:38,809 --> 00:34:36,190 been since you've been on the show what 649 00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:38,819 two weeks yeah you would think right 650 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,839 thinking November 2017 no way yeah 651 00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:45,760 that's impossible I know I know you've 652 00:34:52,139 --> 00:34:49,109 done it I know you've done some special 653 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:52,149 appearances you've done some drive-bys 654 00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:59,220 a song with you I know what where was 655 00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:00,790 that stack 656 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:02,980 let me just had I sang pretty perfect 657 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:06,609 harmony I made that song succeed you 658 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:09,550 know when we when we hit when we hit 659 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:12,250 those harmonies and to watch a hundred 660 00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:13,990 and fifty people spin around and look 661 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:17,590 and go wow they hit it it took two and a 662 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:19,930 half minutes but they got there oh it's 663 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:20,950 pretty cool man 664 00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:23,530 that was pretty cool actually I'm a bit 665 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:24,700 surprised that it has been since 666 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:28,510 November I know last I know yeah you did 667 00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:31,330 something in February a drive-by anyway 668 00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:34,300 welcome back man welcome back we talk 669 00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:37,540 often but it just is you didn't have you 670 00:35:42,359 --> 00:35:40,390 had someone I guess a family member yeah 671 00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:42,369 someone that I'm married to yeah on your 672 00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:45,100 show a couple of months ago and that way 673 00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:49,230 and you did a drive-by that's all he did 674 00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:53,740 he stopped by so welcome back and so 675 00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:56,350 much has gone down this year but before 676 00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,930 we get there I want to I'm sure you were 677 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:01,119 listening to my little opening statement 678 00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:03,670 and if you didn't blindside you right 679 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:08,590 now okay in all of your UFO research the 680 00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:12,460 question that I often ask myself is how 681 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:15,070 did we get here how did Homo sapiens 682 00:36:20,099 --> 00:36:16,450 sapiens here and I'm sure you've thought 683 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:20,109 about that a lot and before I ask you 684 00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:22,270 that question you know how to make an 685 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:24,760 okay sign right you know with your thumb 686 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:27,010 and forefinger right you make the okay 687 00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:28,990 sign this is what I want you to do 688 00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:32,080 Richard after the show I want you to go 689 00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,750 outside of your beautiful home up there 690 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:37,119 in upstate New York I want you to walk 691 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:39,550 out look at the the night sky in the 692 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:43,660 stars find a blank spot a black spot 693 00:36:49,859 --> 00:36:46,690 where there's no stars and take the okay 694 00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:49,869 sign that you know how to make and go up 695 00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:53,140 to that blank spot in the sky hold it up 696 00:36:59,880 --> 00:36:56,800 and look through the okay sign because 697 00:37:05,490 --> 00:36:59,890 when you do that that little black chunk 698 00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,500 of the sky you are looking at 175,000 699 00:37:11,290 --> 00:37:08,960 galaxies that's amazing 700 00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:11,300 right that's amazing that's amazing when 701 00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:13,880 we when we think of it in that in that 702 00:37:21,820 --> 00:37:17,660 perspective 173 I realize just how how 703 00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:21,830 tiny we are we have our own grandness in 704 00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:25,369 our existence but when we do what what a 705 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:28,040 beautiful thing to do and you know what 706 00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:29,690 I will do that Tracy and I will do that 707 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:31,220 when we're done here 708 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,410 it's an amazing I think it's a it's a 709 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:36,640 beautiful and very thought-provoking 710 00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:39,050 experience to do and I'm glad that you 711 00:37:43,570 --> 00:37:41,230 mentioned that so thank you for that 712 00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:43,580 175,000 show and each one of those 713 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:47,800 galaxies 500 billion to a trillion stars 714 00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:53,050 in Greenwich right and then you start to 715 00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:57,140 glow and you can do that anywhere in the 716 00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:00,140 night sky right and go to the southern 717 00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:02,839 hemisphere and and and have another 718 00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:07,400 crack at it it's it's everywhere but the 719 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:10,280 the thought of us being alone in this 720 00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:12,890 big beautiful universe of ours is as 721 00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:17,359 ludicrous as just an impossibility but 722 00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:20,440 how did we get here Richard how did you 723 00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:23,540 get to the point where you are able to 724 00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:25,640 think intelligently and ask the 725 00:38:30,190 --> 00:38:27,320 questions and how are we going here 726 00:38:33,099 --> 00:38:30,200 tonight yeah I mean you know how is it 727 00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:33,109 possible that it's just us on this 728 00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:35,420 planet and nobody else is evolved in the 729 00:38:41,650 --> 00:38:38,180 last 10 20 million years but in two 730 00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:41,660 hundred thousand years you evolved to 731 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:43,940 the point where you could marry Tracy 732 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:48,560 and and laugh and contemplate and have 733 00:38:56,589 --> 00:38:51,410 emotions and and wonder about the 734 00:38:58,690 --> 00:38:56,599 universe how is that possible well I I 735 00:39:02,109 --> 00:38:58,700 guess I have to say I don't know how 736 00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:02,119 it's possible but when when I reflect on 737 00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:06,560 it you know we we are told and 738 00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:07,940 scientists will tell us that the earth 739 00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:11,420 is about 4.6 billion years old we're 740 00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:14,540 told that life microbial life has 741 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:16,190 existed on this planet for I don't know 742 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:17,980 something like I think 3 billion years 743 00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:21,200 complex organisms much less than 1 744 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:22,590 billion years 745 00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:24,810 at least highly complex so all of this 746 00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:28,320 takes time to develop a certain level of 747 00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:32,100 complexity so that we we are able to 748 00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:35,550 exist and you know other animals have 749 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:37,800 different levels of consciousness and 750 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:41,130 some have very I would imagine very high 751 00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:42,890 levels of consciousness in many cases 752 00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:45,300 but we have a certain uniqueness about 753 00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,780 us I think and it took a long time for 754 00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:51,660 us to get here on the other hand if you 755 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:55,020 really think about it we've organized a 756 00:39:59,240 --> 00:39:56,910 very high level of consciousness in less 757 00:40:02,920 --> 00:39:59,250 than 1 billion years as far as life goes 758 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:02,930 the universe we believe this universe is 759 00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:05,970 said to be about 13 to 14 billion years 760 00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:09,390 old so I don't know you know they say 761 00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:11,580 but some scientists will say that 762 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:13,260 consciousness is the whole point of this 763 00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:15,590 universe in fact that it is the 764 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:19,500 foundation of the universe and I'm 765 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:21,450 inclined to think maybe that's so I mean 766 00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:23,160 I there's answers that I'll never ever 767 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:25,380 have but the one thing I'll just add 768 00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:27,570 though the fill we move on to wherever 769 00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:30,300 you want to go is that example you have 770 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:32,270 of having the okay sign and looking at 771 00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:35,490 however many trillions of stars and 772 00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:38,520 billions of galaxies there's a there was 773 00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:41,820 a great philosopher about 300 plus years 774 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:43,620 ago Blaise Pascal many people know of 775 00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:45,450 him yeah he's actually one of my 776 00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:49,260 favorites and Pascal made a comment once 777 00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:52,020 he wrote you know when you look at this 778 00:40:59,180 --> 00:40:55,470 the the scale of the human being we're 779 00:41:00,440 --> 00:40:59,190 so much tinier than the largest expanse 780 00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,450 of the universe that were just 781 00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:03,060 insignificant but we're so much larger 782 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:07,320 than the tiniest cellular organism or 783 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,610 whatever he was able to conceive of he 784 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,760 says the tiniest tiniest atom is as 785 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:14,160 small to us as we are to the largest 786 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:15,750 galaxy he says we're kind of in this 787 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:18,810 strange middle ground it seems and that 788 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:21,140 he said both of these extremes are 789 00:41:25,070 --> 00:41:23,430 released from his perspective kind of uh 790 00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:25,080 knopf limits to us like we couldn't 791 00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:28,590 really understand them it's kind of an 792 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:30,180 interesting perspective you know like 793 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:32,490 the tiniest of the tiny and the largest 794 00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:34,770 of the large and of course 3/4 centuries 795 00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:36,280 have gone by and and 796 00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:38,860 our exploring those those great 797 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:43,630 mysteries pretty well but I still often 798 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:46,540 pondered on Pascal I think there's 799 00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:51,520 there's so much that is like there are 800 00:41:56,370 --> 00:41:53,470 different universes all around us all 801 00:41:59,730 --> 00:41:56,380 the time the very great on the very very 802 00:42:05,160 --> 00:41:59,740 small and so here we are in the middle 803 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:05,170 yeah and I the the part that that really 804 00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:08,050 confuses me and we don't have the 805 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:10,840 answers for and it's unbelievable but we 806 00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:13,650 don't well I know why we don't which is 807 00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:17,080 Homo sapiens sapiens 200,000 years on 808 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:19,980 this planet 200,000 years that's it 809 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:27,760 that's it I I just I have been thinking 810 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:30,250 about this and Tracy could tell you like 811 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:33,160 for the last particularly the last month 812 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:36,220 I have just on my own maybe it's the 813 00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:38,890 ancient aliens phenomenon and wondering 814 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:41,320 about ancient astronauts and how did we 815 00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:43,270 get here just as you were asking but 816 00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:45,220 I've I've actually been reading a few 817 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:47,740 books just academic books standard 818 00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:49,780 university books on human prehistory 819 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:51,550 because I'm trying to figure this out I 820 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:53,050 want to know what what are the 821 00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:54,730 conventional historians and the 822 00:43:00,120 --> 00:42:57,550 conventional pre historians where are 823 00:43:02,070 --> 00:43:00,130 they at in human history because I want 824 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:02,080 to know what they know and then I want 825 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:03,490 to know everything that like Graham 826 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:05,170 Hancock knows and I want to know 827 00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,190 everything that all these other people 828 00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:08,560 who are exploring this know because I 829 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:11,320 I'm tired of not knowing it it's kind of 830 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:12,010 how I felt 831 00:43:16,770 --> 00:43:13,570 25 years ago when I first encountered 832 00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:16,780 the UFO mystery in general in the modern 833 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:19,960 era I wanted to know what what the other 834 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:22,030 experts knew I didn't like having this 835 00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:23,530 big question mark over my head and I'm 836 00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,320 I've been feeling lately very similarly 837 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:28,000 relating to human prehistory so it's 838 00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:29,650 just kind of interesting that you 839 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:31,600 brought this up when you did see me I 840 00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:34,120 think it's been triggered in our DNA the 841 00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:37,900 information is there and suddenly we're 842 00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:39,670 starting to ask you know some very big 843 00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:44,080 difficult questions and the 200,000 844 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:47,260 years obviously is not enough time for 845 00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:49,090 us to evolve into who we are 846 00:43:55,050 --> 00:43:52,480 but the whole missing link issue which 847 00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,060 has not been resolved and everything 848 00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,040 that exists on this planet in the fossil 849 00:44:04,050 --> 00:43:59,470 record doesn't fit into us I don't care 850 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:04,060 what anthropologists say or I don't know 851 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:06,670 if I would agree with you I mean there's 852 00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:09,130 always missing pieces of the 853 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:11,350 archaeological evidence because after 854 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:13,450 all bones don't really survive very well 855 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:15,790 when you go thousands and millions of 856 00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:17,650 years and there's a lot of history to 857 00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:20,380 cover but I don't know if I would agree 858 00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,300 that there's no missing link or I'm not 859 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:23,680 sure if I really understanding what that 860 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:26,290 means anymore two hundred thousand years 861 00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:29,050 ago we have the first remains that we 862 00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:31,120 are aware of of humans who are like us 863 00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:32,800 so that's homeless sapiens sapiens as we 864 00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:35,110 call it at the same time we had genetic 865 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:38,230 cousins and the Ender Thals who you 866 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:40,810 could meet in the and earth all in a 867 00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:42,730 modern suit and you might think well it 868 00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:44,230 looks a little odd but he seems like a 869 00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:46,840 regular guy so they they looked similar 870 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:49,240 enough to us I mean there were 871 00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:51,130 differences of course but they had a 872 00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:52,780 larger brain capacity than we do 873 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:55,540 actually and there was tough as nails 874 00:45:00,660 --> 00:44:57,490 like tougher than any football player 875 00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:00,670 out there but they were you know they 876 00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:03,550 lived during our period of time and a 877 00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:04,630 little bit before and then there were 878 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:08,320 earlier versions of the human body plan 879 00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:10,570 and Neiman Burt being so I don't know I 880 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:12,760 mean they're I don't know all of the 881 00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:16,090 answers but it is it is very strange I 882 00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:18,280 will agree a two hundred thousand years 883 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:20,110 is not a long time but then think about 884 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:22,650 this this is something that's been 885 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:25,450 guarding my attention which is we've 886 00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:26,770 been here two hundred thousand years and 887 00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:29,620 we've had what we call civilization for 888 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:31,960 less than ten thousand years lesson that 889 00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:35,410 so we've had writing for roughly six 890 00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:36,190 thousand years 891 00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:38,590 Kanaya form SAR as we know that was 892 00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:42,220 invented in Sumer about 4000 BCE so we 893 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:44,590 talk in 6000 years ago the wheel was 894 00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:47,260 invented around the same time shortly 895 00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:49,120 before that we get some domestication of 896 00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:51,220 animals and of the grains so you 897 00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:53,230 basically go back let's say 10,000 years 898 00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:56,470 and prior to that human beings lived 899 00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:00,460 exclusively as hunters and gatherers for 900 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:02,260 a hundred and ninety thousand of those 901 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:02,930 years 902 00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:06,770 and and then we began the most radical 903 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:09,109 of transformations that is you know the 904 00:46:15,279 --> 00:46:13,250 agricultural revolution and and 905 00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:15,289 transformed we domesticated ourselves 906 00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:17,589 fundamentally and we changed ourselves 907 00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:20,180 biologically and of course socially and 908 00:46:25,299 --> 00:46:22,700 intellectually in many ways but that's 909 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:25,309 the transformation that just keeps 910 00:46:31,809 --> 00:46:28,609 getting my attention like we went as in 911 00:46:33,609 --> 00:46:31,819 in a certain way for nearly two hundred 912 00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:33,619 thousand years and then BOOM 913 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,430 changed ourselves completely I can't 914 00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:39,440 wrap my brain around that no and and I 915 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:41,390 think about it all the time and this is 916 00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,049 my twisted this is my twisted way of 917 00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:46,880 resolving the issue think about this for 918 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:51,880 a second Richard you've got a cave man a 919 00:46:59,529 --> 00:46:56,690 cave man sitting in a cave wife walks in 920 00:47:02,109 --> 00:46:59,539 and she says what are you doing why 921 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:02,119 aren't you out there getting some food 922 00:47:08,289 --> 00:47:05,569 we need to survive another day and night 923 00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:08,299 on this planet and he's sitting there 924 00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:11,660 and he says you know I just figured it 925 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:12,230 out 926 00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:19,609 I've just domesticated wheat wait wait 927 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:22,460 wait we need to eat now no but I figured 928 00:47:31,059 --> 00:47:26,930 it out I've domesticated wheat how does 929 00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:31,069 that light bulb go off with stone eh man 930 00:47:35,650 --> 00:47:33,140 don't mess you're reading a book on this 931 00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:35,660 and it's a very it's a book by a 932 00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,150 standard university historian and I'm 933 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:39,680 just gonna mention he's probably gonna 934 00:47:44,049 --> 00:47:42,260 be horrified that a UFO guy is talking 935 00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,059 about his work because he's over I think 936 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,440 it Yale or somewhere 937 00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:47,450 James C Scott a book called against the 938 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:49,640 grain and it's a really quite an 939 00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:52,880 excellent book on how this all happened 940 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:54,470 and one thing he points out and I have 941 00:47:59,799 --> 00:47:56,329 to say he really is enlighten me on some 942 00:48:01,059 --> 00:47:59,809 of my misconceptions his argument and I 943 00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:01,069 think it sounds like he's got a 944 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:02,150 reasonable argument is that the 945 00:48:06,279 --> 00:48:04,609 hunter-gatherers were not they had a 946 00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:06,289 pretty good life at least in certain 947 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:07,849 certain parts of the world certainly 948 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:10,490 Mesopotamia ten plus thousand years ago 949 00:48:14,289 --> 00:48:12,170 that was a very good environment to live 950 00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:14,299 in they had a better diet they lived 951 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:16,700 healthier that a larger brain capacity 952 00:48:21,099 --> 00:48:19,130 the farmers did had less drudgery in his 953 00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,109 argument so the question that he was 954 00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:23,119 asking is why bother domesticating grain 955 00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,300 at all and I haven't gotten to his crux 956 00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:28,640 yet as to why but I think the part of 957 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:31,700 the answer is and population pressures 958 00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:35,450 that required that that grain provided a 959 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:38,990 solution to but actually his argument is 960 00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:41,210 that if you look at nomads around the 961 00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:44,680 world you have to really force them to 962 00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,660 bow down to agriculture like they have a 963 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,760 life that they actually become quite 964 00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:52,400 attached to semi-nomadic and it's not 965 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:53,660 all just one thing you've got 966 00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:55,970 pastoralism you've got they do have some 967 00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:57,500 grains that they will grow it's not like 968 00:49:01,890 --> 00:48:59,420 they never grow anything so there's a 969 00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,900 little bit of this a little bit of that 970 00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:04,480 it's a very very interesting book and 971 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:07,400 one thing that it really has helped me 972 00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:10,730 is that develop a great appreciation for 973 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:13,430 the incredible sophistication that was 974 00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:15,890 required to be a true hunter-gatherer 975 00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:18,619 you had to engage in nature in a way 976 00:49:22,450 --> 00:49:20,180 that even farmers don't really engage 977 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:22,460 farmers grow one crop or a couple of 978 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:24,170 crops and you know a couple of animals 979 00:49:29,859 --> 00:49:26,810 if you're a hunter-gatherer you have to 980 00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:29,869 know all the bird patterns the migration 981 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,430 patterns of all the animals and all of 982 00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:32,960 everything else and you've got like a 983 00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:35,150 two-week window for this herd to come 984 00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:38,180 over here for their migration you've got 985 00:49:41,319 --> 00:49:39,950 a three week window for that one and 986 00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:41,329 you've got to be on top of all of it and 987 00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:47,900 it required a level of of cognition that 988 00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:49,880 what he I think he argued is that we 989 00:49:54,010 --> 00:49:51,619 actually kind of domed ourselves down 990 00:49:55,569 --> 00:49:54,020 with the advent of civilization and it's 991 00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,579 funny because you only could really get 992 00:49:59,020 --> 00:49:57,200 an academic making this argument but I 993 00:50:00,940 --> 00:49:59,030 think he really argues that the whole 994 00:50:04,180 --> 00:50:00,950 this whole civilization thing was a big 995 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:04,190 mistake oh I'm not sure I'm going to go 996 00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:06,710 that far but I think that actually is 997 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:09,020 part of his argument and from a certain 998 00:50:12,819 --> 00:50:10,490 point of view you could say well yeah 999 00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,829 the guy's got a point maybe we've dumped 1000 00:50:16,809 --> 00:50:14,720 ourselves down and it makes me think it 1001 00:50:19,329 --> 00:50:16,819 makes me wonder you take this into our 1002 00:50:22,359 --> 00:50:19,339 own civilization and all anyone has to 1003 00:50:24,130 --> 00:50:22,369 do is look around them and I'm not here 1004 00:50:25,930 --> 00:50:24,140 to knock all of my neighbors or knock 1005 00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,940 anyone else and I'm friends with but you 1006 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:27,440 know most of us what do we really do 1007 00:50:32,730 --> 00:50:30,250 with our lives how much are we really in 1008 00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:32,740 aging ourselves when it comes to our 1009 00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:34,300 life in this world and everything around 1010 00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:36,550 us and how how deeply are most of us 1011 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:38,260 really thinking about things and maybe 1012 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:40,510 the answer is not so much and maybe the 1013 00:50:45,810 --> 00:50:42,450 answer is we don't really do a whole lot 1014 00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:45,820 compared to our ancestors of 10,000 1015 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,360 20,000 years ago when you're told you 1016 00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,000 know your whole life growing up all you 1017 00:50:58,020 --> 00:50:54,640 need to do is get out of high school and 1018 00:51:00,300 --> 00:50:58,030 get a job get married so you can get 1019 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:00,310 your first car and make your first car 1020 00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,110 payment and start to establish your 1021 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:04,480 credit because that's what life is about 1022 00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:07,240 and your golden ring at the end of the 1023 00:51:13,050 --> 00:51:10,870 rainbow is going to be a paid-for house 1024 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,060 with a pool in the back and then you can 1025 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:15,040 have your children do the same thing 1026 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:17,710 that that is the meaning of life yeah 1027 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:21,090 and like you can't convince me that 1028 00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:22,870 going to high school 1029 00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:24,790 and sitting at the same desk and 1030 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:26,380 listening the same teacher and talking 1031 00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:27,730 to the same people day after day is 1032 00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:29,350 going to be the same level of education 1033 00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:32,590 as living out in the wild studying 1034 00:51:35,730 --> 00:51:34,600 nature that's right on a daily basis 1035 00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:35,740 like there's no way you're gonna tell me 1036 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:37,030 that that's the same kind of mental 1037 00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:39,910 experience I think there's absolutely no 1038 00:51:42,330 --> 00:51:41,350 comparison between the two and when you 1039 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:42,340 think of it that way 1040 00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:45,070 you really could argue we have not 1041 00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:46,990 simply domesticated us so we really have 1042 00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:49,540 transformed ourselves as he pointed out 1043 00:51:55,050 --> 00:51:51,540 in this book against the green 1044 00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:55,060 physiologically but we've really we have 1045 00:52:00,300 --> 00:51:56,980 truly domesticated not just the animals 1046 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:00,310 and grains but ourselves and in some 1047 00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:03,670 ways it's it's made life easier in some 1048 00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:05,460 cases but in a lot of ways it's made it 1049 00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:08,500 perhaps much less interesting and and we 1050 00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:12,160 are much less engaged as actual animals 1051 00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,900 and creatures on this planet than than 1052 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:16,240 our ancestors were we just thought well 1053 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:19,510 it may be part of the bigger complex 1054 00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:22,410 issue which is we've got to go through 1055 00:52:27,870 --> 00:52:25,030 breaking the system down before we can 1056 00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:27,880 learn from our mistakes and maybe part 1057 00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:31,390 of that is we have to have a couple of 1058 00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:35,110 generations make it to the age of 65 and 1059 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:37,540 retire with their paid for house and the 1060 00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:39,790 pool in the back and they look around 1061 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:44,030 and asked themselves is 1062 00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:46,850 this what life is all about exactly hey 1063 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:48,830 one of the greatest stories I tell us to 1064 00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:50,930 everyone who bothers to ask me if we 1065 00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:54,440 have really great okay Laurie tweet well 1066 00:52:59,230 --> 00:52:56,120 let me ask you what's a really great 1067 00:53:01,360 --> 00:52:59,240 story that you can share with us well I 1068 00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:01,370 I would say the best short story that 1069 00:53:06,010 --> 00:53:03,620 you could read in a day or two is Leo 1070 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:06,020 Tolstoy is the death of Ivan Illich and 1071 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:07,610 I would recommend it I've recommended it 1072 00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:09,290 for years and years and I'll recommend 1073 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:11,060 it until I can't recommend books anymore 1074 00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:12,890 but Ivan Illich and I'm not going to 1075 00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:14,030 give it away for anyone who wants to 1076 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:15,470 read it but it's an absolute work of 1077 00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:17,450 genius and it's it's a little slice of 1078 00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:19,310 genius by Tolstoy so he wrote war and 1079 00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,020 peace which of course is always worth 1080 00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:22,880 your effort it's what was one of those 1081 00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:25,820 once-in-a-lifetime things to do but the 1082 00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:27,380 death of Ivan Illich is a little slice 1083 00:53:32,590 --> 00:53:29,390 of that and it's about a 19th century 1084 00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,600 version of a yuppie basically this guy 1085 00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:34,160 named Ivan Illich was a lawyer and then 1086 00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:37,160 he becomes a judge and then he you know 1087 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:38,480 and he gets a house just like everyone 1088 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:40,070 else gets and he thinks this is what I 1089 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:41,690 wanted he has a wife that he's not 1090 00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:43,010 really in love with and he's got kids 1091 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:45,230 that he's not really you know that close 1092 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:47,090 to them and he's got his job his career 1093 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:49,130 and then he has an injury and then he 1094 00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:52,130 realizes he's dying and he goes through 1095 00:53:57,490 --> 00:53:56,060 this long night of the soul first you 1096 00:53:59,770 --> 00:53:57,500 know he's just obsessed with his own 1097 00:54:02,560 --> 00:53:59,780 physical agony but then then he has a 1098 00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:02,570 conversation and it's really with his 1099 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:05,390 soul is what you find out and the whole 1100 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:08,090 thing is what is it that matters in life 1101 00:54:14,590 --> 00:54:13,180 what and what what if I've lived my life 1102 00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:14,600 wrong 1103 00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:17,030 that's the question it's the question 1104 00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:18,950 that haunts him and it's a question 1105 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:20,840 everyone should ask because when you get 1106 00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:22,970 to that certain point in your life at 1107 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:24,440 the end of the road right because 1108 00:54:30,190 --> 00:54:27,410 everyone's got to get there we all have 1109 00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:30,200 to deal with this the last thing any of 1110 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:32,870 us wants after a lifetime of whatever it 1111 00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:34,370 is we think we're doing that's important 1112 00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:36,980 is when we stop and reflect and look 1113 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:40,520 back and we think I cannot believe I've 1114 00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:43,010 just wasted all of these years doing 1115 00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:45,740 fill in the blank you don't want to 1116 00:54:51,130 --> 00:54:47,710 happen that's right and Ivan Illich 1117 00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,140 there's another book that I've just 1118 00:54:54,970 --> 00:54:52,880 written that down I have not read it and 1119 00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:54,980 I will but there's another book I'm 1120 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:56,180 going to recommend 1121 00:55:01,660 --> 00:54:58,010 and and I do it all the time but it's 1122 00:55:03,849 --> 00:55:01,670 called what makes Sammy run have you 1123 00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:03,859 ever read it I've never heard of it ok 1124 00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:08,540 bye bud Schulberg and it's about Sammy 1125 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:11,569 Glick it's about Hollywood now it was 1126 00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:15,170 written back in 1941 but I can assure 1127 00:55:22,030 --> 00:55:19,520 you Richard that everybody in radio 1128 00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:22,040 television in the movie industry here in 1129 00:55:28,809 --> 00:55:25,550 Southern California every employee has 1130 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:28,819 read this book ok it's required reading 1131 00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:31,880 for survival in Hollywood but the the 1132 00:55:36,819 --> 00:55:35,119 message about life and you can just get 1133 00:55:40,589 --> 00:55:36,829 it from the title right what makes Sammy 1134 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:40,599 run and read it it's it's an 1135 00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:45,770 unbelievably harsh real book I mean 1136 00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:47,150 that's that's all I can say 1137 00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:50,420 what makes Sammy run so there you go 1138 00:55:57,549 --> 00:55:54,230 noted yeah and so I have to the only 1139 00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:57,559 conclusion that I can come to I keep 1140 00:56:01,299 --> 00:55:59,480 going back to ground zero you know two 1141 00:56:02,589 --> 00:56:01,309 hundred thousand years it just doesn't 1142 00:56:04,839 --> 00:56:02,599 make a whole lot of sense we just 1143 00:56:06,670 --> 00:56:04,849 appeared here where did our intelligence 1144 00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:06,680 come from you're absolutely right ten 1145 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:08,780 thousand years ago everything just you 1146 00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:10,450 know started burning on all cylinders 1147 00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:14,559 and I'd I think we were placed here I 1148 00:56:20,589 --> 00:56:17,630 think we were dropped off and I'm okay 1149 00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,599 with that I don't know if there's some 1150 00:56:25,569 --> 00:56:23,359 wild cosmic experience it's experiment 1151 00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:25,579 if it was just something that was on a 1152 00:56:31,210 --> 00:56:28,190 media or an asteroid that crashed here 1153 00:56:33,789 --> 00:56:31,220 or whatever it the case may be but I 1154 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:33,799 just think we appeared I don't think we 1155 00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:36,730 evolved here and that's why the the 1156 00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:38,900 historians and the anthropologists out 1157 00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,140 there that cannot prove any of this 1158 00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:44,480 because the proof isn't on earth it's 1159 00:56:48,339 --> 00:56:46,220 somewhere I well I guess I'm good I will 1160 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:48,349 say that I do I don't believe that we 1161 00:56:52,510 --> 00:56:50,809 were just placed here so I guess I'll 1162 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:52,520 disagree with you respectfully that's 1163 00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,609 fine but I do ask myself you know have 1164 00:56:59,620 --> 00:56:57,920 we been tweets have we been managed I 1165 00:57:01,390 --> 00:56:59,630 mean are even according to any 1166 00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,400 evolutionary standard human evolution 1167 00:57:04,839 --> 00:57:03,200 took place so really rapidly you know 1168 00:57:06,430 --> 00:57:04,849 you look at animals like the shark they 1169 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:06,440 haven't changed in millions of years the 1170 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:08,450 horse you go to the Museum of Natural 1171 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:09,510 History in New York 1172 00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,849 and you see a beautiful exhibition of 1173 00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:13,680 the evolution of the horse going back 1174 00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:15,390 from like 50 million years ago to today 1175 00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:18,119 and you the horse back then was like the 1176 00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,790 size of a small dog and it didn't have 1177 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:22,680 hooves and it involved because well the 1178 00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:24,810 environment involved but here we are 1179 00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,240 much less than 50 million years really 1180 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:29,280 less and we've just evolved very very 1181 00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:31,170 rapidly indeed so there's something 1182 00:57:37,089 --> 00:57:33,630 unusual about it and and maybe I ask 1183 00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:37,099 myself have we been managed or modified 1184 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:40,820 and in the 200,000 years that our 1185 00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:45,089 species has been here has there been 1186 00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:48,329 room for either a a rise and fall of 1187 00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,220 some kind of civilization that we 1188 00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,260 haven't learned about and I don't know 1189 00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,520 the answer to that if sometimes 1190 00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:55,200 entertained all kinds of possibilities 1191 00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,980 or be have we been tweaked during that 1192 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:00,359 period of time and I again I don't know 1193 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:02,490 the answer to these but this is why you 1194 00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:04,050 know when we look at the ancient UFO 1195 00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:07,710 phenomenon there's no question that as 1196 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:09,270 far as long as human beings have been 1197 00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:13,770 here we have we have encountered what we 1198 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:17,220 believe is the other whether it's the 1199 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:19,890 gods or other beings of some sort like 1200 00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:23,130 that's a long-standing part maybe the 1201 00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:26,310 longest-standing part of our history and 1202 00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,030 so there's there's a lot of opportunity 1203 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:32,640 for there's a lot of holes in our 1204 00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,900 history I guess I'll put it that way and 1205 00:58:37,579 --> 00:58:35,700 I don't know if we're really going to 1206 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,589 get the answers that we want to this 1207 00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:39,359 certainty that we want but I do think 1208 00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:41,420 that there's a lot of possibility for 1209 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:44,880 some unusual unusual things in our in 1210 00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:46,650 our deep history because I'm not of the 1211 00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:48,030 opinion that we were dropped off here 1212 00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:50,550 but I guess I would be of the opinion 1213 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:52,380 that it is possible that we've been 1214 00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:54,450 banished in one way or another last 1215 00:59:00,380 --> 00:58:57,630 question before the break what was the 1216 00:59:02,510 --> 00:59:00,390 last song you listened to Trudeau I was 1217 00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:02,520 waiting for this I know well it was I 1218 00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:04,980 don't know if this counts but Tracy and 1219 00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:07,319 I listened to the theme song of Game of 1220 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:10,440 Thrones a song that's a pretty cool song 1221 00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:13,530 I just watched I got to think about it 1222 00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:15,300 I'll pick it up when we come back I just 1223 00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:18,060 watched the beginning of a new series 1224 00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:21,660 and the music was it's got to be the 1225 00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:23,400 same writer for Game of Thrones and I 1226 00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:25,260 did that last night is so funny I'll 1227 00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:27,180 think about that and I'll bring it up 1228 00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:30,299 after the break before that I was in I 1229 00:59:38,539 --> 00:59:35,160 was out about it yes oh and it was more 1230 00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:38,549 than a woman by the Bee Gees oh now now 1231 00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,680 you're talking our guest tonight Richard 1232 00:59:44,539 --> 00:59:42,720 bleep in Dolan I'm your ocb church this 1233 00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,549 is fade to black on the game changer 1234 00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:47,520 network and kgr a the planet more 1235 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:49,230 Richard after this short break stay with 1236 01:00:03,890 --> 00:59:49,420 us 1237 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:05,760 this is fade to black 1238 01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:07,450 with Jimmy church on the GameChanger 1239 01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:11,590 radio network and kgr a the global radio 1240 01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:15,820 alliance this is kg 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friend Jimmy Church fade to black 1269 01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:38,000 on the GameChanger network and the kgr a 1270 01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,560 digital broadcast station this is Toby 1271 01:02:04,870 --> 01:01:44,720 Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church 1272 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:04,880 radio calm revolution this is Micah 1273 01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,770 Hanks to the graylien report and you're 1274 01:02:10,090 --> 01:02:08,480 listening to Jimmy church on fade to 1275 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:10,100 black across the globe on the 1276 01:02:15,150 --> 01:02:12,170 GameChanger radio network and the one 1277 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:15,160 and only kgr a radio the planet 1278 01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:35,560 [Music] 1279 01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:37,710 welcome back fade to black I'm your host 1280 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:39,270 Jimmy Church our guest tonight Richard 1281 01:02:44,359 --> 01:02:42,930 bleep and Dolan the segment of fade to 1282 01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:44,369 black has probably brought to you by 1283 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:46,619 River moon coffee makers of the fade to 1284 01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:48,930 black blend click on the banner over to 1285 01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:51,270 me Church radio.com get your self some 1286 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:52,920 fade to black one best coffee in the 1287 01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:56,910 world promo code f2b blend it's right 1288 01:03:01,460 --> 01:02:59,940 there Richard what we have to do this is 1289 01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:01,470 this is what we have to do our next 1290 01:03:06,859 --> 01:03:03,900 conference together is we've got to work 1291 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:06,869 out a BG song and and we got to work out 1292 01:03:09,859 --> 01:03:07,530 those harmonies 1293 01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:09,869 I can do the high harmonies I did a 1294 01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:13,380 Barry Gibb yeah I can do the Barry Gibb 1295 01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:26,030 that it will be the last conference we 1296 01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:29,880 ever do but we're going to go down you 1297 01:03:34,609 --> 01:03:32,310 know without without shame I think this 1298 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:34,619 goes awesome I have no shame in that at 1299 01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,130 all I don't and whenever I let you know 1300 01:03:43,849 --> 01:03:41,099 Rita and I this is years ago went 1301 01:03:45,859 --> 01:03:43,859 through a huge Bee Gees face right do 1302 01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,869 you know the live videos you know the 1303 01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:48,000 music and and I'm walking around the 1304 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:51,420 house singing the Bee Gees and do my 1305 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:53,730 best Barry Gibb and I swear I've never 1306 01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:56,490 had more objects thrown at me it's like 1307 01:04:02,359 --> 01:03:59,880 honey I have it I know you don't you 1308 01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:02,369 think Barry givers is unique like he 1309 01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,270 just owned that falsetto he just leaned 1310 01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:09,359 right into it and he just did it like no 1311 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:12,420 one else make that work somehow that guy 1312 01:04:20,570 --> 01:04:15,690 made it work he did and he and he had 1313 01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:20,580 teeth you know just amazing teeth okay 1314 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:23,310 let's let's let's let's change gears 1315 01:04:27,470 --> 01:04:25,710 let's get off the Bee Gees and talk some 1316 01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:27,480 UFOs here we are 1317 01:04:34,250 --> 01:04:31,619 Richard we're at the end of August 2018 1318 01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:34,260 is about to end I know it sounds crazy 1319 01:04:39,859 --> 01:04:36,540 but we can chalk off another year on 1320 01:04:43,570 --> 01:04:39,869 this beautiful blue blue planet but it's 1321 01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:43,580 coming up to almost a year now since 1322 01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:46,470 titi essays to the stars Academy's 1323 01:04:50,849 --> 01:04:47,440 announcement 1324 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:50,859 and the New York Times back in December 1325 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:54,730 and it's kind of fizzled and I don't 1326 01:05:00,839 --> 01:04:56,530 want to have that you know I'm a 1327 01:05:05,339 --> 01:05:00,849 glass-half-full kind of guy but what 1328 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:05,349 happened oh I don't know um I'm taking a 1329 01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:07,390 different perspective on this first of 1330 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:09,369 all when when the New York Times in the 1331 01:05:16,980 --> 01:05:11,410 Washington Post did their pieces on this 1332 01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:16,990 back in December just 2017 we a lot of 1333 01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:19,150 people I guess will say oh my god this 1334 01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:21,670 was the most amazing thing hallelujah 1335 01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,569 its disclosure and how no one has any 1336 01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:27,039 historical memory I mean for me I 1337 01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,380 thought oh yeah it's kind of cool this 1338 01:05:32,430 --> 01:05:31,119 is not the worst article I would 1339 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:32,440 normally expect out of the New York 1340 01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:34,450 Times or The Washington Post which I 1341 01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:35,760 think are both too reprehensible 1342 01:05:40,349 --> 01:05:37,990 publications and I just have to say this 1343 01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:40,359 because it's true but yes the articles 1344 01:05:45,089 --> 01:05:41,980 that they did particularly the two that 1345 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:45,099 were in the New York Times were at least 1346 01:05:51,569 --> 01:05:47,770 reasonable beginning points so they were 1347 01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,579 not terrible they definitely had their 1348 01:05:56,579 --> 01:05:54,160 own spin to them but we'll leave that 1349 01:06:00,120 --> 01:05:56,589 aside it was it was good that they did 1350 01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:00,130 it but you know we forget that through 1351 01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:02,529 the previous decades going back even 1352 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:05,049 into the 1940s and 50s and 60s and every 1353 01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:07,690 decade one can imagine there were they 1354 01:06:14,010 --> 01:06:10,990 have always been major revelations 1355 01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:14,020 concerning the UFO phenomenon and 1356 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:15,700 reality they have never stopped 1357 01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:19,210 they have continually put themselves 1358 01:06:26,370 --> 01:06:22,029 right right in our front row in our 1359 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:26,380 front vision here and you know the 1950s 1360 01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:27,970 had their moment where people thought oh 1361 01:06:30,539 --> 01:06:29,230 wow the government is going to have to 1362 01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:30,549 acknowledge the reality of this and the 1363 01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:31,960 1960s had there a moment where we 1364 01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:33,640 thought looks like the government may 1365 01:06:36,839 --> 01:06:35,020 just acknowledge the reality of this and 1366 01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:36,849 it happened in the late 70s with freedom 1367 01:06:41,490 --> 01:06:39,190 of information and it happened briefly 1368 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:41,500 during parts of the 1980s even and then 1369 01:06:46,019 --> 01:06:44,410 in the 1990s and then and with the 1370 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:46,029 various press conferences of the 21st 1371 01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:47,890 century sometimes people wondered and 1372 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:50,950 and now here we are again so this is 1373 01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:53,770 actually part of a much longer pattern 1374 01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:58,480 of the UFO phenomenon occasionally 1375 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:01,380 getting significant attention 1376 01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:04,170 and then it's almost like we have this 1377 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:06,120 constant state of amnesia that just 1378 01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:09,330 comes over us as a society now is that 1379 01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:12,630 happening again in terms of TTS a seems 1380 01:07:17,180 --> 01:07:15,170 to me that a lot of attention 1381 01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:17,190 particularly in the beginning was was 1382 01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:20,700 put on on Tom DeLonge understandable 1383 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:23,160 he's a singer and a band and he was the 1384 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:25,850 front person of this organization but 1385 01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:28,530 the one that I'm interested in and 1386 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:29,670 really is the only one that I personally 1387 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:33,210 know is how put off and I find how put 1388 01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:35,970 offs involvement in this to continue to 1389 01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:40,140 be quite fascinating and you know it's 1390 01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,660 funny watching I'm over on the sidelines 1391 01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:45,000 here watching people talk about TTS a 1392 01:07:50,330 --> 01:07:48,030 and lots of people say it's a CIA 1393 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:50,340 operation don't trust them or it's a 1394 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:53,010 money-making operation don't trust it I 1395 01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:54,810 guess I would say well first of all it's 1396 01:07:57,260 --> 01:07:56,070 not a crime to make money and if you 1397 01:07:58,970 --> 01:07:57,270 want to make money out of something go 1398 01:08:01,550 --> 01:07:58,980 do it the only thing is don't destroy 1399 01:08:02,660 --> 01:08:01,560 the subject you're working if you're 1400 01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:02,670 going to make money off of it but 1401 01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,070 nothing wrong with that in terms of the 1402 01:08:09,260 --> 01:08:07,440 CIA that's a little different so what is 1403 01:08:13,070 --> 01:08:09,270 the motivation of these guys well I look 1404 01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:13,080 at cut offs company earth tech and I 1405 01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:14,550 mean I just find it fascinating in the 1406 01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,110 last couple of weeks he puts they put 1407 01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:17,520 out this press conference they're 1408 01:08:22,670 --> 01:08:20,520 looking for essentially materials from 1409 01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,680 crash retrievals I'm like are you 1410 01:08:25,870 --> 01:08:24,600 serious and that is essentially what 1411 01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:25,880 they're they're putting this out there 1412 01:08:31,270 --> 01:08:28,620 like how is that not interesting I think 1413 01:08:33,620 --> 01:08:31,280 that's quite fascinating I listened very 1414 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:33,630 very with a great deal of attention to 1415 01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:35,370 how put offs speech that he gave to the 1416 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:38,370 Society of scientific exploration SSC 1417 01:08:42,290 --> 01:08:41,010 last June not that long ago and for 1418 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:42,300 anyone who is listening to that 1419 01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:44,730 carefully that was one bombshell after 1420 01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:47,670 another so there's a lot of interesting 1421 01:08:53,690 --> 01:08:50,460 stuff that's out there for anyone who's 1422 01:08:55,940 --> 01:08:53,700 willing to listen and I think part of 1423 01:08:58,130 --> 01:08:55,950 the the situation is that people really 1424 01:09:00,350 --> 01:08:58,140 are expecting it's like the second 1425 01:09:02,210 --> 01:09:00,360 coming you know coming down giving us 1426 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:02,220 disclosure and solving all of our 1427 01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,250 problems all at once and I don't really 1428 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:06,960 know all of the motivations for these 1429 01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:08,970 for everyone in TTS a I'm sure 1430 01:09:12,230 --> 01:09:11,400 everyone's got their own selfish reason 1431 01:09:13,820 --> 01:09:12,240 for doing what they do 1432 01:09:14,809 --> 01:09:13,830 everyone does there's no exception to 1433 01:09:16,220 --> 01:09:14,819 that rule 1434 01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:16,230 so that doesn't make them different from 1435 01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:17,940 anyone else the real thing that I want 1436 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:20,580 to know is what are they offering us are 1437 01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:23,010 they really fizzling out well maybe 1438 01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,100 maybe not and I'm my attitude is I'm 1439 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:27,600 just gonna take the long view on this 1440 01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:30,330 and see how this all all plays out but 1441 01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:31,830 I'm just I'm not gonna go down the road 1442 01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:35,600 of so many people have said this is 1443 01:09:41,539 --> 01:09:40,920 total CIA disinformation well show me 1444 01:09:46,190 --> 01:09:41,549 how 1445 01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:46,200 would say is that the coverage by the 1446 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:49,500 New York Times and particularly by the 1447 01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:51,330 Washington Post 1448 01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:55,280 are always to be taken as propaganda 1449 01:10:00,200 --> 01:09:58,320 always like without exception and and I 1450 01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:00,210 respect Leslie Kane by the way and she 1451 01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:02,100 was when the key author of The New York 1452 01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:03,990 Times pieces but that doesn't change the 1453 01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:06,120 reality of what what she has to deal 1454 01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:07,110 with when you're dealing with an 1455 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:10,910 organization like the New York Times so 1456 01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:13,890 so spin is involved connections with 1457 01:10:19,190 --> 01:10:16,920 national security are involved yes but 1458 01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:19,200 nonetheless genuine information came out 1459 01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,180 look they gave us a lot of publicity on 1460 01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,460 the tic-tac UFO incident from 2004 1461 01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:25,920 that's important they gave us 1462 01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,560 information on other events the gimble 1463 01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:30,960 UFO video and I know folks over at meta 1464 01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,900 bunk have tried to debunk it and I 1465 01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:35,760 listened to that argument very very 1466 01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,350 carefully and there's some brilliant 1467 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:40,380 people on that site without a doubt but 1468 01:10:44,150 --> 01:10:42,930 I listened to put off talk about that I 1469 01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:44,160 listened to some of the other folks 1470 01:10:48,500 --> 01:10:45,480 involved talk about it and they are 1471 01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:48,510 standing by it and until they completely 1472 01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:50,760 disavow it I'm going to find that 1473 01:10:54,980 --> 01:10:51,960 interesting and I don't I don't believe 1474 01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,990 that that that video is a hoax I don't 1475 01:10:59,600 --> 01:10:57,360 believe that the audio is a hoax so if 1476 01:11:02,060 --> 01:10:59,610 those Navy pilots were mystified by that 1477 01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:02,070 particular object then I don't believe 1478 01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,300 that they were chasing down some 1479 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:06,480 commercial airliner as has been argued 1480 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:08,370 so there's there's something about it 1481 01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,290 that's interesting to me so they've 1482 01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:11,520 given us a few things I had a long 1483 01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:13,500 conversation about this with Peter 1484 01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:16,110 lavinda who has you know and I'm sure as 1485 01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:17,490 many listeners know co-authored a book 1486 01:11:22,220 --> 01:11:20,460 with Tom DeLonge I have great respect 1487 01:11:22,730 --> 01:11:22,230 for Peter lavinda always have I've known 1488 01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:22,740 him for years 1489 01:11:27,870 --> 01:11:25,590 he's a very serious-minded individual 1490 01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:27,880 and a very insightful person and 1491 01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:30,400 you know I have my own radio program I 1492 01:11:34,649 --> 01:11:32,500 had him on and he gave a very spirited 1493 01:11:37,020 --> 01:11:34,659 defense of what they were trying to do 1494 01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:37,030 and his attitude was look what do people 1495 01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:37,480 want 1496 01:11:42,959 --> 01:11:39,460 we've given doubt we put out videos 1497 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:42,969 we've we've handed things to them and 1498 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:46,690 everyone wants to attack us well I mean 1499 01:11:51,959 --> 01:11:48,310 there's two sides to every story here 1500 01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,969 but from their point of view they didn't 1501 01:11:54,660 --> 01:11:53,440 you know they did what they could do it 1502 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:54,670 was a sloppy rollout 1503 01:12:00,030 --> 01:11:56,170 I mean without a doubt I mean it 1504 01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:00,040 completely just horrible mylar balloon 1505 01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:02,260 and all that other nonsense was just was 1506 01:12:07,410 --> 01:12:06,070 just awful but I'm not really willing to 1507 01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:07,420 say that it's fizzle out I want to see 1508 01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,400 where this goes and I'm particularly got 1509 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:10,960 my eyes on how put off and I want to see 1510 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:12,489 what he's up to over the next few weeks 1511 01:12:20,129 --> 01:12:15,850 and months and years I I was the 1512 01:12:24,689 --> 01:12:20,139 opposite of you with my reaction to 1513 01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:24,699 December 2017 in that I nearly crashed 1514 01:12:32,879 --> 01:12:30,040 my car I was I did I almost hit a bus I 1515 01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:32,889 was I was making a right it's a true 1516 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:37,900 story and and so I once I vetted 1517 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:40,090 everything and saw the explosion I heard 1518 01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:42,010 it over and over again we we went live 1519 01:12:47,939 --> 01:12:44,500 that was on a Saturday and we went live 1520 01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:47,949 with the special broadcast and and my 1521 01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:50,800 enthusiasm and my happiness for the UFO 1522 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:53,500 community was I mean I just was it's 1523 01:13:00,810 --> 01:12:55,210 without measure I was just so excited 1524 01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:00,820 and but it is been a steady decline the 1525 01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:03,670 sense then and it's almost like it's 1526 01:13:11,550 --> 01:13:07,300 it's kind of grounded out and there was 1527 01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:11,560 an opportunity there for to the stars to 1528 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:14,290 keep their foot on the gas and and keep 1529 01:13:20,129 --> 01:13:17,650 this rolling and it's you know since 1530 01:13:21,959 --> 01:13:20,139 then it's it's been a lot of repeating 1531 01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:21,969 of the same information over and over 1532 01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:24,370 again in the media you know it's their 1533 01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:26,920 their PR firm is is trying to keep the 1534 01:13:33,959 --> 01:13:29,590 story alive no doubt but I don't know 1535 01:13:36,959 --> 01:13:33,969 where they're gonna go next it has to be 1536 01:13:39,149 --> 01:13:36,969 an elevated thing and it's for me it's 1537 01:13:41,370 --> 01:13:39,159 you know my fingers are crossed Richard 1538 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:41,380 I'm part of it has to do with the kind 1539 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:41,530 of 1540 01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:44,890 Tom DeLonge himself and I'm not trying 1541 01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,840 to knock him by the way I mean I met him 1542 01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,360 one time and I thought he was it was 1543 01:13:53,940 --> 01:13:52,000 very decent with me and I had a very it 1544 01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:53,950 was fine you know I had this was a 1545 01:14:00,120 --> 01:13:56,260 couple of years before all this kind of 1546 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:00,130 blew up and but I mean honestly how many 1547 01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:02,170 people kind of invested him is like you 1548 01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:05,020 know the new Jesus the Disclosure Jesus 1549 01:14:09,660 --> 01:14:07,720 and I mean this is just like maybe he he 1550 01:14:13,890 --> 01:14:09,670 kind of played into it as well I mean he 1551 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:13,900 actually I think probably did but no 1552 01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:15,730 come on this is just ridiculous and then 1553 01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:20,620 he just he his leadership really had has 1554 01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:22,750 to be criticized I mean and Here I am a 1555 01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:24,940 Monday morning quarterbacks from all 1556 01:14:30,210 --> 01:14:27,760 over here but some of his public 1557 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:30,220 appearances were just not not good they 1558 01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:31,660 were not helpful and they did not help 1559 01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:36,630 the cause and so you know you have this 1560 01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:39,220 initial rollout that's got all these 1561 01:14:44,250 --> 01:14:41,350 bells and whistles and hope attached to 1562 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:44,260 it and then suddenly by really January 1563 01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,210 or in February delays crashing and 1564 01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:48,880 burning so it was it was a it was a 1565 01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:50,230 spectacle without a doubt 1566 01:14:55,220 --> 01:14:52,420 but when see the thing is with me like 1567 01:14:57,480 --> 01:14:55,230 if the president or of any president 1568 01:14:59,280 --> 01:14:57,490 whether it would be Obama or Trump or 1569 01:15:02,640 --> 01:14:59,290 whoever comes after we're to come in and 1570 01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:02,650 say UFOs are real I actually I don't 1571 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:04,030 know how emotional I would get I would 1572 01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:06,490 be like oh cool like and then now we've 1573 01:15:10,980 --> 01:15:08,590 got more work to do we have work to do 1574 01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:10,990 like I it's just how I am I don't really 1575 01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:13,990 get it I don't I don't get that way so 1576 01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:20,500 for me I I feel like you know I wouldn't 1577 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:22,510 I wouldn't be inclined to get overly 1578 01:15:25,470 --> 01:15:24,130 disappointed because I don't expect I 1579 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:25,480 don't expect anything to work out 1580 01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:25,930 perfectly 1581 01:15:31,410 --> 01:15:29,590 I just don't not in this world we've got 1582 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:31,420 this great ability this species of ours 1583 01:15:34,710 --> 01:15:32,830 and this power structure of ours to just 1584 01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:34,720 screw things up royally so there'll be 1585 01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:37,180 good things in the future and disclosure 1586 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:39,880 if there ever is a genuine disclosure or 1587 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:42,130 even a deceptive disclosure which i 1588 01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:44,170 think is much more likely anyway if that 1589 01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,470 happens it's not the end of the world if 1590 01:15:53,509 --> 01:15:49,600 it's deceptive it's it's our job always 1591 01:15:55,609 --> 01:15:53,519 our job to keep moving that ball forward 1592 01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:55,619 so that's really how it is and and you 1593 01:16:01,459 --> 01:15:58,980 know TT essays got their part it has 1594 01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:01,469 been a part and they actually it hasn't 1595 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:03,510 been a waste of time hasn't been a waste 1596 01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:05,610 of time you know we're still in a 1597 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:07,710 different place now psychologically as a 1598 01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:10,170 society right now than we were before 1599 01:16:15,109 --> 01:16:13,110 December of 2017 so there has been that 1600 01:16:17,089 --> 01:16:15,119 change and one thing that it has to be 1601 01:16:20,029 --> 01:16:17,099 said in that in that New York those New 1602 01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:20,039 York Times pieces is that TTS a really 1603 01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:21,630 got no credit for any of that stuff but 1604 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:25,260 they everyone knows they were behind the 1605 01:16:30,799 --> 01:16:28,170 publication of those articles they were 1606 01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:30,809 pushing it so that's a positive thing 1607 01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:33,420 and whatever else happens if they do 1608 01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:35,940 nothing else the ball has been moved a 1609 01:16:39,620 --> 01:16:37,320 little bit farther down the field in my 1610 01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:39,630 opinion if you were sitting if you were 1611 01:16:45,529 --> 01:16:42,719 in an advisory capacity for to the stars 1612 01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:45,539 I'm what what is it that they should do 1613 01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:49,710 next well they need to do some some 1614 01:16:56,180 --> 01:16:52,369 serious and well-thought-out 1615 01:16:59,959 --> 01:16:56,190 public statements and like serious so 1616 01:17:01,879 --> 01:16:59,969 like not goof goofy stuff like a few 1617 01:17:03,589 --> 01:17:01,889 interviews that that probably anyone 1618 01:17:06,109 --> 01:17:03,599 who's been following this would can can 1619 01:17:09,609 --> 01:17:06,119 think about the like serious-minded 1620 01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:09,619 interviews that are professional and 1621 01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:12,590 that actually have genuine information 1622 01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:16,590 to provide and again I think some of the 1623 01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:18,449 statements recently that they've just 1624 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:21,289 made relating to we're interested in 1625 01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:25,050 studying alleged crash retrievals I mean 1626 01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,150 holy smokes Pol Pot off all but 1627 01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:29,760 practically stated in his speech last 1628 01:17:37,609 --> 01:17:34,800 June that you know they had crash 1629 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:37,619 retrieval materials that were completely 1630 01:17:40,879 --> 01:17:39,690 unexplainable technologically I mean I 1631 01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:40,889 don't how much more clearly you could 1632 01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:42,420 have said it other than just saying it 1633 01:17:47,689 --> 01:17:45,590 so they've actually put a lot of 1634 01:17:50,810 --> 01:17:47,699 interesting information out there in 1635 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:50,820 that manner but I think yeah they need 1636 01:17:58,779 --> 01:17:56,130 to really they need a better better 1637 01:18:04,870 --> 01:17:58,789 public relations presentation for sure 1638 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:04,880 the if I was and yourself included I I 1639 01:18:10,670 --> 01:18:06,690 think very highly 1640 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:10,680 you if you were in possession of some 1641 01:18:16,340 --> 01:18:13,290 type of material and I don't know what 1642 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:16,350 that material could be but you would 1643 01:18:22,150 --> 01:18:18,210 disclose it I think you would have a 1644 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:22,160 press conference you would completely 1645 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:26,130 reveal what you have and sitting on this 1646 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:28,370 or saying it's in to me it's in a 1647 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:31,170 warehouse in Las Vegas or it's in Texas 1648 01:18:38,150 --> 01:18:35,010 and and we're studying it that that's 1649 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:38,160 you need to be a martyr you know you 1650 01:18:43,220 --> 01:18:40,860 need to just go you need to just expose 1651 01:18:44,810 --> 01:18:43,230 it show us and tell us where it came 1652 01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:44,820 from did it come from the Pentagon did 1653 01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:45,960 it come from the military-industrial 1654 01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,110 complex was it sent to you from somebody 1655 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:51,780 in the middle of Kansas and I would I 1656 01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:53,730 would I'm pretty sure that I would do 1657 01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:55,980 that I think that I would be as open as 1658 01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,890 I could possibly be about it my guess I 1659 01:19:03,229 --> 01:19:00,480 don't know what they've got in that Las 1660 01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:03,239 Vegas warehouse that's apparently run by 1661 01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:06,420 Robert Bigelow but I suspect that the 1662 01:19:10,670 --> 01:19:08,699 bismuth magnesium piece at how put off 1663 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:10,680 talked about in his June speech this 1664 01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,410 year is one of those pieces that they're 1665 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:15,120 talking about in fact the provenance of 1666 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:17,130 that isn't a crash retrieval at least we 1667 01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:19,010 don't know the provenance of that one 1668 01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:21,630 that actually was sent to art Bell years 1669 01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:24,120 ago back in the night using from a 1670 01:19:29,959 --> 01:19:26,489 source that they they couldn't test but 1671 01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:29,969 according to hell in his lecture on this 1672 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:32,640 you know back in the 90s no one could 1673 01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:34,170 understand what this thing was what it 1674 01:19:38,780 --> 01:19:36,030 was for what his properties were until 1675 01:19:40,939 --> 01:19:38,790 only recently he argued are we actually 1676 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:40,949 beginning to understand some of the 1677 01:19:44,689 --> 01:19:42,570 waveguide properties of this thing and 1678 01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:44,699 it's the highly sophisticated piece of 1679 01:19:48,770 --> 01:19:47,160 machinery and no one no one knows how 1680 01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:48,780 who made it or how it was made 1681 01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,020 so it's interesting you know what else 1682 01:19:56,450 --> 01:19:54,960 does Bigelow have to him to find out I 1683 01:19:58,340 --> 01:19:56,460 have no idea what he's got there and I 1684 01:20:00,650 --> 01:19:58,350 agree with you like this has to be out 1685 01:20:03,740 --> 01:20:00,660 there and by the way where's where's our 1686 01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:03,750 corporate media where where is the New 1687 01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:04,980 York Times and I'm not faulting the 1688 01:20:08,180 --> 01:20:06,420 writers of that article I know that they 1689 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:08,190 have no power but all these decisions 1690 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:10,530 are made in the upper echelons of the 1691 01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:11,730 New York Times in the Washington Post 1692 01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:14,190 and the corporate media which we all 1693 01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,360 know if you don't know about what 1694 01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:17,040 operation Mockingbird was you can look 1695 01:20:20,419 --> 01:20:19,679 it up it still exists all right and so 1696 01:20:23,299 --> 01:20:20,429 they 1697 01:20:25,399 --> 01:20:23,309 have decided not to follow up and to ask 1698 01:20:28,129 --> 01:20:25,409 these very questions what's in that 1699 01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:28,139 warehouse when can we see it what 1700 01:20:32,299 --> 01:20:30,300 studies have been made of it how did you 1701 01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:32,309 acquire it you know all of the all of 1702 01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:35,070 the reasonable logical questions that 1703 01:20:39,949 --> 01:20:37,800 everyone would have about it no one in 1704 01:20:42,620 --> 01:20:39,959 the establishment media has asked a 1705 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:42,630 single question and that should tell us 1706 01:20:47,419 --> 01:20:45,449 all we need to know about how how well 1707 01:20:47,719 --> 01:20:47,429 they do their jobs which is not well at 1708 01:20:52,339 --> 01:20:47,729 all 1709 01:20:54,259 --> 01:20:52,349 well the that that article when I read 1710 01:20:56,569 --> 01:20:54,269 through it the first time a secret 1711 01:20:58,609 --> 01:20:56,579 Pentagon program no surprise there 1712 01:21:01,850 --> 01:20:58,619 there's there's plenty of those to go 1713 01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:01,860 around we know there were multiple of 1714 01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,050 those programs right and right none of 1715 01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:06,719 that you know a pilot coming forward you 1716 01:21:14,449 --> 01:21:09,840 know David flavor great guy up standard 1717 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:14,459 - no doubt right all cool the one thing 1718 01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:17,610 in that article was the warehouse in Las 1719 01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:20,369 Vegas it's like wait a minute here is 1720 01:21:26,899 --> 01:21:24,150 the Golden Nugget and no follow-up 1721 01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:26,909 nothing it was not I cannot believe if 1722 01:21:31,850 --> 01:21:29,670 you want to hand a story to a some 1723 01:21:34,459 --> 01:21:31,860 gumshoe journalist right that's gonna go 1724 01:21:41,029 --> 01:21:34,469 out there and knock the walls down give 1725 01:21:43,609 --> 01:21:41,039 him that that that you have years of 1726 01:21:46,069 --> 01:21:43,619 reporting in front of you no follow-up I 1727 01:21:48,770 --> 01:21:46,079 you're absolutely right that was the one 1728 01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:48,780 that was the one nugget right there and 1729 01:21:53,689 --> 01:21:51,030 it was a gift nothing and I don't I 1730 01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:53,699 don't know for sure I'm purely 1731 01:21:57,410 --> 01:21:55,800 speculating here but I mean I have some 1732 01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:57,420 understanding of how these organizations 1733 01:22:03,229 --> 01:22:00,900 work and these the journalists who are 1734 01:22:04,819 --> 01:22:03,239 writing these pieces they they do not 1735 01:22:05,509 --> 01:22:04,829 have total control over the piece I 1736 01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:05,519 guarantee it 1737 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:07,380 so there are editorial decisions that 1738 01:22:11,620 --> 01:22:09,689 are made as to how to present that for 1739 01:22:13,660 --> 01:22:11,630 example the fact that the New York Times 1740 01:22:17,089 --> 01:22:13,670 gratuitously put in statements by two 1741 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:17,099 completely irrelevant skeptics in one of 1742 01:22:21,169 --> 01:22:18,570 the articles that they their lead 1743 01:22:22,910 --> 01:22:21,179 article on that I mean those statements 1744 01:22:24,979 --> 01:22:22,920 added nothing nothing at all to the 1745 01:22:26,359 --> 01:22:24,989 piece whatsoever they were simply 1746 01:22:29,689 --> 01:22:26,369 psychological placeholders for 1747 01:22:32,089 --> 01:22:29,699 skepticism I can guarantee you I would I 1748 01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:32,099 would bet my final dollar but that was a 1749 01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:33,420 decision of the highest levels of the 1750 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:34,380 editorial and 1751 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:35,250 had nothing to do with what the 1752 01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:37,290 journalist one that just who's gonna 1753 01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:40,560 guess that and similarly the fact that 1754 01:22:45,950 --> 01:22:43,800 there's been no follow-up that there's a 1755 01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,960 reason for that there's absolutely a 1756 01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:47,360 reason for that even though there's 1757 01:22:51,709 --> 01:22:49,920 incredible opportunity for follow-up 1758 01:22:52,939 --> 01:22:51,719 journalism on this so you know that 1759 01:22:55,700 --> 01:22:52,949 should just tell tell us the New York 1760 01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,710 Times is useless they're great for 1761 01:23:00,490 --> 01:22:57,420 starting wars they're they're awesome 1762 01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:00,500 for that they're great at you know 1763 01:23:06,110 --> 01:23:03,840 hiding crimes that are committed by the 1764 01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:06,120 true elite who really run this society 1765 01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,520 of ours and I won't get too derailed on 1766 01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:10,560 that but that's also the case but they 1767 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:13,260 they're for genuine journalism they're 1768 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:15,090 less than useless in fact you should 1769 01:23:19,129 --> 01:23:17,130 just avoid them so that leaves the door 1770 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:19,139 open for independent journalists and the 1771 01:23:22,879 --> 01:23:21,210 question is whether or not they can get 1772 01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:22,889 access to someone like Robert Bigelow 1773 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:25,650 and ask some questions there are good 1774 01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:27,210 people in the mainstream is George Knapp 1775 01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:29,670 who I know is one of the good guys and 1776 01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:31,500 maybe George could I want to put the 1777 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:33,090 pressure on him but maybe he can do an 1778 01:23:37,060 --> 01:23:34,650 interview with Bigelow and try to get 1779 01:23:38,810 --> 01:23:37,070 some information out or someone else 1780 01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:38,820 right I mean there's always 1781 01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:41,159 opportunities there but let's not expect 1782 01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:42,840 it from the establishment media there 1783 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:46,110 they're not on our side yeah and you 1784 01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:49,530 know the the problem that that I have 1785 01:23:54,770 --> 01:23:52,159 with with some of those out there and 1786 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:54,780 it's just they they know that I'm not 1787 01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:56,610 going to throw softball questions out 1788 01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,060 there and so they avoid now you know and 1789 01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:02,159 because you you are actually a good 1790 01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:04,440 journalist and there are other good 1791 01:24:10,820 --> 01:24:07,980 journalists out there too and so it's up 1792 01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,830 to it's up to us those of us who care to 1793 01:24:14,899 --> 01:24:12,719 try to get some of these answers and 1794 01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:14,909 it's not easy I mean it's it's not easy 1795 01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,820 but but that's that's our job I mean 1796 01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,440 we've got to get these answers New York 1797 01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:21,420 Times it's good that they published what 1798 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:24,630 they did but we cannot expect true 1799 01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:26,370 honesty from them and we can't expect 1800 01:24:35,540 --> 01:24:30,110 them to do anything other than 1801 01:24:38,180 --> 01:24:35,550 self-serving self-serving news slash 1802 01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:38,190 propaganda for the you know for whatever 1803 01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:41,670 purposes they want but the fact is there 1804 01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,260 there was genuine information they put 1805 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:45,360 out there so I'm I'm glad about that I 1806 01:24:50,690 --> 01:24:48,090 am glad about that some of that 1807 01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:50,700 out there but we really can't expect 1808 01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,100 honesty from these people either we've 1809 01:24:58,340 --> 01:24:55,920 got about two minutes before the break 1810 01:25:01,420 --> 01:24:58,350 do you think that the New York Times 1811 01:25:03,380 --> 01:25:01,430 published that article because of 1812 01:25:06,620 --> 01:25:03,390 professional connections and pressure 1813 01:25:11,210 --> 01:25:06,630 from a PR firm to publish that in 1814 01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:11,220 connection with Washington but to the 1815 01:25:16,090 --> 01:25:13,080 stars or do you think that they would 1816 01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:16,100 have published that article on their own 1817 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:18,360 no I think to the stars was instrumental 1818 01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:20,010 in that I don't think that article would 1819 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:21,300 have happened without to the stars 1820 01:25:27,130 --> 01:25:24,930 there's no way so this is not a case 1821 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:27,140 where in fact I think you know 1822 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:29,370 Blumenthal and Leslie came both were 1823 01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:30,810 talking about this I'm not mistaken but 1824 01:25:36,230 --> 01:25:34,230 the press conference was definitely in 1825 01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:36,240 events around that press conference of 1826 01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:40,170 October 2017 work he in generating some 1827 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:41,880 forward motion on getting that article 1828 01:25:45,230 --> 01:25:43,770 done and of course the people behind the 1829 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:45,240 scenes with TTS say I think we're very 1830 01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:47,130 instrumental in feeding some of this 1831 01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:49,800 information too - Leslie Kane and the 1832 01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:52,020 other authors so no they were very 1833 01:25:55,460 --> 01:25:53,670 important in this and the real question 1834 01:25:57,710 --> 01:25:55,470 is you know what was their actual 1835 01:26:00,230 --> 01:25:57,720 motivation and again I guess I would 1836 01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,240 just say that people are complex it's 1837 01:26:05,780 --> 01:26:03,600 not all it's not all simple there's 1838 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:05,790 always the fact that they want to make 1839 01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:07,290 money they want defense contracts I 1840 01:26:10,580 --> 01:26:08,820 think there's no question about this 1841 01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:10,590 you've all you have to do is read 1842 01:26:15,230 --> 01:26:12,000 between the lines and not even between 1843 01:26:20,420 --> 01:26:15,240 the lines they want to get taxpayer 1844 01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,430 money to study exotic technologies by at 1845 01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:22,620 least to some extent legitimizing UAP 1846 01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,320 UFO phenomenon within Congress so they 1847 01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:27,360 can get money doing doing research 1848 01:26:31,940 --> 01:26:29,940 that's definitely on their agenda now 1849 01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:31,950 that doesn't make them bad well I don't 1850 01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:33,900 know I mean we can all answer that on 1851 01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,450 our own I suppose but everyone's got 1852 01:26:40,460 --> 01:26:37,440 their own motivations for doing 1853 01:26:43,190 --> 01:26:40,470 everything the fact is my for me I just 1854 01:26:45,860 --> 01:26:43,200 ask are they putting out genuine 1855 01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,870 information that helps those of us who 1856 01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:47,760 believe in ending UFO secrecy and I 1857 01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,500 think in this case the answer is yeah I 1858 01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:51,120 think they've helped a bit let's take a 1859 01:26:55,220 --> 01:26:52,470 break right here our guest tonight 1860 01:26:55,919 --> 01:26:55,230 Richard bleep and Doland yeah 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01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,540 UFO hypothesis and the reason why I want 1932 01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:23,760 to bring that up is a couple of weeks 1933 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:25,710 ago you know we've got this fast radio 1934 01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:27,810 bursts thing that is that is going on 1935 01:31:31,550 --> 01:31:31,080 right now and it is it's fascinating to 1936 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:31,560 me 1937 01:31:40,610 --> 01:31:37,170 ago I don't know if he caught this and 1938 01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:40,620 he said fast radio bursts could be 1939 01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:47,670 coming from starships not planets and it 1940 01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,090 just made me sit back and think if you 1941 01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:53,280 are out in the vastness of interstellar 1942 01:32:00,860 --> 01:31:57,330 space right yeah ten thousand 1943 01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:00,870 light-years between objects right now I 1944 01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:03,360 mean just the vastness of space and you 1945 01:32:09,620 --> 01:32:05,460 need to send out a warning beacon to 1946 01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:09,630 your your other starship trooper friends 1947 01:32:14,930 --> 01:32:12,960 or what have you you you would do a fast 1948 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:14,940 radio bursts you would let people know 1949 01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:18,090 where you are just like we would you use 1950 01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:19,860 radio signals it would use something 1951 01:32:26,419 --> 01:32:23,940 that could be faster I mean I think that 1952 01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:26,429 there probably are going to be faster 1953 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:28,980 than light types of communications I 1954 01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:30,810 mean I know mr. Akaka doesn't believe 1955 01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:35,040 that but I think I believe it of course 1956 01:32:39,260 --> 01:32:36,630 I'm not I'm not a physicist so I'm 1957 01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:39,270 allowed to believe whatever I want but 1958 01:32:45,649 --> 01:32:41,280 nonetheless we have you know quantum 1959 01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:45,659 entanglement which is demonstrably been 1960 01:32:53,299 --> 01:32:48,590 shown to have faster-than-light 1961 01:32:54,919 --> 01:32:53,309 connections between you know one 1962 01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:54,929 particle and another particle and in 1963 01:33:01,040 --> 01:32:56,760 theory that could be at the distance of 1964 01:33:02,989 --> 01:33:01,050 one galaxy to another so it would seem 1965 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:02,999 to me that a very very advanced 1966 01:33:07,099 --> 01:33:05,010 civilization and that will include 1967 01:33:10,369 --> 01:33:07,109 ourselves and another thousand years or 1968 01:33:12,379 --> 01:33:10,379 more or less might have discovered an 1969 01:33:15,409 --> 01:33:12,389 ability to communicate that's far beyond 1970 01:33:17,599 --> 01:33:15,419 radio waves I would like to think so 1971 01:33:19,219 --> 01:33:17,609 and I have to think that it's entirely 1972 01:33:22,939 --> 01:33:19,229 possible and if it's possible then we're 1973 01:33:24,619 --> 01:33:22,949 going to do it so I think you know if 1974 01:33:26,089 --> 01:33:24,629 we're looking for radio signals and that 1975 01:33:27,919 --> 01:33:26,099 type of thing maybe we're looking at the 1976 01:33:31,849 --> 01:33:27,929 wrong type of a signal just a thought 1977 01:33:37,159 --> 01:33:31,859 well you know going back to you know the 1978 01:33:38,959 --> 01:33:37,169 Drake Equation and and SETI and some of 1979 01:33:41,810 --> 01:33:38,969 the faults that you know because they're 1980 01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:41,820 looking for radio signals and obviously 1981 01:33:45,979 --> 01:33:43,800 if there's an advanced civilization out 1982 01:33:48,169 --> 01:33:45,989 there they wouldn't be using radio they 1983 01:33:51,469 --> 01:33:48,179 would have moved beyond it certainly on 1984 01:33:53,569 --> 01:33:51,479 this planet we've moved beyond 1985 01:33:54,619 --> 01:33:53,579 I mean radio still exists I'm not going 1986 01:33:59,689 --> 01:33:54,629 to say that it does and I'm a 1987 01:34:02,810 --> 01:33:59,699 broadcaster but it's not what it was 50 1988 01:34:04,339 --> 01:34:02,820 years ago no way I'm Bradley right and I 1989 01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,349 don't know what we're gonna be using in 1990 01:34:09,919 --> 01:34:06,719 another 50 years but that's a little 1991 01:34:12,020 --> 01:34:09,929 hundred and fifty year window of us 1992 01:34:13,549 --> 01:34:12,030 using that technology I don't think 1993 01:34:17,659 --> 01:34:13,559 we're going to be using radio waves in 1994 01:34:20,229 --> 01:34:17,669 another 50 years but the flip side to 1995 01:34:22,489 --> 01:34:20,239 that is the obvious which is 1996 01:34:26,209 --> 01:34:22,499 civilizations out there went through the 1997 01:34:28,849 --> 01:34:26,219 same elements of technical revolutions 1998 01:34:31,250 --> 01:34:28,859 that we did and at one point they were 1999 01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:31,260 using fast radio bursts and they were 2000 01:34:35,599 --> 01:34:32,760 using radio signals and they're 2001 01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:35,609 eventually going to get here that's 2002 01:34:41,989 --> 01:34:39,300 that's my take yeah exactly exactly I 2003 01:34:45,589 --> 01:34:41,999 feel like what we're dealing with in 2004 01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,599 this UFO phenomenon is is I think almost 2005 01:34:50,689 --> 01:34:47,760 certainly the result of some kind of 2006 01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:50,699 melding of biological and artificial 2007 01:34:54,949 --> 01:34:53,010 intelligence and that is what we're 2008 01:34:57,229 --> 01:34:54,959 dealing with be and I only feel this way 2009 01:34:59,390 --> 01:34:57,239 because it's very very easy now for us 2010 01:35:01,550 --> 01:34:59,400 in our society to see this is exact 2011 01:35:03,530 --> 01:35:01,560 where we are going you look at all of 2012 01:35:05,630 --> 01:35:03,540 the advances that we are making in terms 2013 01:35:07,540 --> 01:35:05,640 of our hardware in terms of AI in terms 2014 01:35:09,970 --> 01:35:07,550 of quantum computing nanotech robotics 2015 01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:09,980 the the fact that we've DNA mapped 2016 01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:12,840 ourselves pretty completely and we're 2017 01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,760 able to edit our genes through CRISPR 2018 01:35:21,470 --> 01:35:17,040 technology and that's just the beginning 2019 01:35:24,710 --> 01:35:21,480 of where we're going and then you know 2020 01:35:27,740 --> 01:35:24,720 ask yourself you know I love hearing all 2021 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:27,750 of these these truly know nothing 2022 01:35:32,630 --> 01:35:30,810 skeptics who will say travel to the 2023 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:32,640 Stars is impossible you people don't 2024 01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:35,250 realize how distant the Stars are and I 2025 01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:38,760 just think we're probably 20 years away 2026 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:40,950 officially speaking all right from 2027 01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:43,170 having a ship or being that's 2028 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:44,760 artificially intelligent enough that can 2029 01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:46,890 probably survive an interstellar journey 2030 01:35:51,950 --> 01:35:49,440 really maybe a century if you want to be 2031 01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:51,960 generous we're just about there 2032 01:35:56,030 --> 01:35:53,840 ourselves 2033 01:35:59,090 --> 01:35:56,040 don't don't we think it's possible to 2034 01:36:00,710 --> 01:35:59,100 have an artificially intelligent ship so 2035 01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:00,720 we'll have our own little avatars out 2036 01:36:04,670 --> 01:36:02,310 there you're gonna have these ultra-fast 2037 01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:04,680 ultra intelligent machine avatars robots 2038 01:36:11,810 --> 01:36:07,410 virtual entities they're almost here 2039 01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:11,820 upon us now with you know I mean and 2040 01:36:14,780 --> 01:36:12,930 then when you think about how the 2041 01:36:17,570 --> 01:36:14,790 technologies were developing are going 2042 01:36:21,650 --> 01:36:17,580 to be working either synergistically or 2043 01:36:23,660 --> 01:36:21,660 just in coordination with each other you 2044 01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:23,670 know add like nanotech and then 3d 2045 01:36:29,980 --> 01:36:26,100 printing and 3d scanning and the ability 2046 01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:29,990 almost to create a an artificial being 2047 01:36:34,940 --> 01:36:31,920 we're almost there you talk about 2048 01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:34,950 hospitals saying you know in a few years 2049 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:36,690 we're gonna be creating 3d printed 2050 01:36:40,850 --> 01:36:38,970 livers for placement livers and organs 2051 01:36:44,330 --> 01:36:40,860 and I mean they're talking very 2052 01:36:47,710 --> 01:36:44,340 seriously about this so we are right on 2053 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:47,720 the cusp and then you get these 2054 01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:49,890 futurists who talk about human 2055 01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:52,290 immortality now some of these are the 2056 01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:53,970 scariest people on the planet you know 2057 01:36:57,860 --> 01:36:55,800 anyone who wants humans to live forever 2058 01:37:00,230 --> 01:36:57,870 is a very frightening person in my 2059 01:37:03,710 --> 01:37:00,240 opinion but but nonetheless they're 2060 01:37:07,780 --> 01:37:03,720 having these conversations and so we're 2061 01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:07,790 we're on the verge of going post human 2062 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:10,260 transhuman so if we can see ourselves 2063 01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:12,730 doing this very realistic 2064 01:37:17,940 --> 01:37:14,770 by the way in the next generation or two 2065 01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:17,950 I think we have to assume that what 2066 01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:19,390 we're dealing with is the result of that 2067 01:37:23,580 --> 01:37:22,060 and and you know you look at something 2068 01:37:26,610 --> 01:37:23,590 like the gray is that everyone has 2069 01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:26,620 reported and talked about there's no way 2070 01:37:30,450 --> 01:37:28,030 in my view that they could have ever 2071 01:37:32,220 --> 01:37:30,460 been naturally biologically occurring 2072 01:37:34,050 --> 01:37:32,230 beings it means just not a chance 2073 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:34,060 the heads are way too large the bodies 2074 01:37:38,670 --> 01:37:36,250 are too spindly doesn't make any sense 2075 01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:38,680 in terms of evolutionary body plan but 2076 01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:41,100 it does make sense if you see them as 2077 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:44,850 created for certain purposes to have 2078 01:37:50,190 --> 01:37:47,170 exceptional intelligence in certain ways 2079 01:37:52,290 --> 01:37:50,200 body's not really needed in certain ways 2080 01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:52,300 and on and on on sex organs why would 2081 01:37:58,140 --> 01:37:55,540 you why would you give you know a drone 2082 01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:58,150 worker the ultimate distraction of sex 2083 01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:02,080 organs you wouldn't so so I think we're 2084 01:38:10,650 --> 01:38:06,460 dealing with the results of a hyper 2085 01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:10,660 advanced post singularity civilization 2086 01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,430 or maybe a series of them that have 2087 01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:15,040 found us they find us interesting I mean 2088 01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:16,780 of course they would find us interesting 2089 01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:19,480 a earth is interesting earth is 2090 01:38:25,530 --> 01:38:22,510 fascinating earth is beautiful earth has 2091 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:25,540 all of these unique combinations of DNA 2092 01:38:30,150 --> 01:38:27,970 my god I mean if you're interested in 2093 01:38:32,729 --> 01:38:30,160 any form of life whatsoever earth is a 2094 01:38:34,050 --> 01:38:32,739 gold mine and there may be millions and 2095 01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:34,060 billions of others out there but it 2096 01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:36,070 doesn't make earth any less valuable and 2097 01:38:42,750 --> 01:38:39,130 then on earth there are these creatures 2098 01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:42,760 these human beings that are yeah I mean 2099 01:38:47,070 --> 01:38:45,430 it's easy for people to say oh we're 2100 01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:47,080 just like insects compared with a higher 2101 01:38:50,610 --> 01:38:49,450 order of intelligence I disagree I 2102 01:38:52,979 --> 01:38:50,620 disagree 2103 01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,989 our intellect may not be as high as 2104 01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:55,360 theirs but we have interesting an 2105 01:39:00,360 --> 01:38:58,330 interesting internal life I believe we 2106 01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:00,370 did create Shakespeare and Goethe and 2107 01:39:04,350 --> 01:39:02,290 Beethoven and a lot of other really cool 2108 01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:04,360 people so we've got something going for 2109 01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:07,960 us and we have discovered some pretty 2110 01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:10,510 interesting scientific secrets so that 2111 01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,600 makes us interesting as well so no I 2112 01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:15,280 think that we would be of prime interest 2113 01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:17,950 to a lot of other people out there that 2114 01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:19,660 have the ability to observe us and to 2115 01:39:23,790 --> 01:39:22,000 and to monitor us and I think that's 2116 01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:23,800 exactly what we are dealing with and I 2117 01:39:26,379 --> 01:39:25,810 think that they've noticed us some of 2118 01:39:28,750 --> 01:39:26,389 them have notice 2119 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:28,760 for probably as long as we have existed 2120 01:39:31,779 --> 01:39:30,530 and the real question that I ask myself 2121 01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:31,789 and I don't know if I'll ever get the 2122 01:39:37,089 --> 01:39:33,800 answers to what extent that they managed 2123 01:39:41,489 --> 01:39:37,099 us monitored us tweaked us controlled us 2124 01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:41,499 I don't know it's interesting the the 2125 01:39:49,629 --> 01:39:47,209 the math of things fascinates me and if 2126 01:39:51,819 --> 01:39:49,639 you and I are sitting around a poker 2127 01:39:54,069 --> 01:39:51,829 table and we're you know there's five of 2128 01:39:56,469 --> 01:39:54,079 us you know you raise Rob and Tracey 2129 01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:56,479 myself right we're all just doing our 2130 01:40:00,250 --> 01:39:57,679 thing 2131 01:40:03,459 --> 01:40:00,260 we deal out of Hana cards you look at 2132 01:40:06,069 --> 01:40:03,469 your cards eventually those five cards 2133 01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:06,079 in your hand we will it may take a while 2134 01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:09,169 but we continue to deal those cards the 2135 01:40:17,290 --> 01:40:14,030 exact same hands will be dealt right 2136 01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:17,300 it's just a numbers game it's the same 2137 01:40:21,759 --> 01:40:21,110 thing with planet Earth out there it's a 2138 01:40:24,580 --> 01:40:21,769 numbers game 2139 01:40:28,209 --> 01:40:24,590 there is another earth there's another 2140 01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:28,219 earth identical to us and on that planet 2141 01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:31,369 right now Richard are two radio hosts 2142 01:40:38,679 --> 01:40:33,860 talking about life out there in the 2143 01:40:42,669 --> 01:40:38,689 universe no it's funny I think was out a 2144 01:40:44,949 --> 01:40:42,679 month ago I was I had a kind of epiphany 2145 01:40:46,419 --> 01:40:44,959 on exactly this type of thought it's so 2146 01:40:47,770 --> 01:40:46,429 funny that you you think of these things 2147 01:40:49,870 --> 01:40:47,780 that have are occurring to me 2148 01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:49,880 independently it's really true and I 2149 01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:52,159 just had this moment where I I remember 2150 01:40:56,770 --> 01:40:54,260 looking out at the sky it was about a 2151 01:41:00,129 --> 01:40:56,780 month or two ago and I just saw it out 2152 01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:00,139 there is another planet that's got to be 2153 01:41:05,409 --> 01:41:03,199 very similar to our earth that's got to 2154 01:41:08,609 --> 01:41:05,419 have a certain amount of oxygen and and 2155 01:41:12,279 --> 01:41:08,619 plant life that's evolved and grown and 2156 01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:12,289 their version of mammals and and and 2157 01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:14,209 their version of intelligent life that 2158 01:41:20,529 --> 01:41:17,360 has developed the ability to conceive of 2159 01:41:22,779 --> 01:41:20,539 life beyond like I just thought they're 2160 01:41:25,089 --> 01:41:22,789 out there right now and here I'm 2161 01:41:28,509 --> 01:41:25,099 standing thinking about them and maybe 2162 01:41:31,330 --> 01:41:28,519 they're thinking about me it was a nice 2163 01:41:35,589 --> 01:41:31,340 moment yeah on that planet was another 2164 01:41:39,129 --> 01:41:35,599 Dolan looking up at the stars having 2165 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:39,139 that exact same thought so if that is 2166 01:41:42,370 --> 01:41:40,010 the case 2167 01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,380 then of course if somebody is out there 2168 01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:44,480 looking for us and has found us and has 2169 01:41:50,290 --> 01:41:47,360 probably found us thousands of times you 2170 01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:50,300 know thousands of civilizations out 2171 01:41:56,290 --> 01:41:52,730 there that that have explored and that's 2172 01:41:58,450 --> 01:41:56,300 it and so back to the UFO high pot you 2173 01:42:00,580 --> 01:41:58,460 know the original to the nuts and bolts 2174 01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:00,590 with the extraterrestrial hell yeah yeah 2175 01:42:07,589 --> 01:42:05,150 yeah and when we and we go back and 2176 01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:07,599 consider how innocent that thought was 2177 01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:11,630 right and and where we are today but 2178 01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:14,030 when I go out and I have these sightings 2179 01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:16,070 and I'm seeing things in the skies I've 2180 01:42:19,209 --> 01:42:18,650 done it with you too as well and we're 2181 01:42:23,229 --> 01:42:19,219 up there 2182 01:42:27,790 --> 01:42:23,239 looking at now is that nuts and bolts is 2183 01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:27,800 it energy is it just some type of drone 2184 01:42:34,060 --> 01:42:30,800 like Voyager you know or something like 2185 01:42:36,669 --> 01:42:34,070 that I you know I don't know what is 2186 01:42:38,859 --> 01:42:36,679 being represented up there right now I 2187 01:42:41,770 --> 01:42:38,869 really don't I don't know if it's a 2188 01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:41,780 metallic nuts and bolts with the dude in 2189 01:42:46,029 --> 01:42:44,449 there with a pilot and a joystick or if 2190 01:42:48,819 --> 01:42:46,039 it's something else or if it's pure 2191 01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:48,829 energy if it is like you were saying 2192 01:42:52,990 --> 01:42:51,199 earlier consciousness what do you think 2193 01:42:54,399 --> 01:42:53,000 is being represented in the skies these 2194 01:42:56,649 --> 01:42:54,409 days and how did they get here 2195 01:42:59,200 --> 01:42:56,659 I think I think what you're you're 2196 01:43:00,879 --> 01:42:59,210 moving toward is a kind of updated 2197 01:43:02,890 --> 01:43:00,889 version of the ETH that is the 2198 01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:02,900 extra-terrestrial hypothesis and I think 2199 01:43:06,009 --> 01:43:04,550 that's an appropriate thing for us to be 2200 01:43:08,020 --> 01:43:06,019 doing when we think of the 2201 01:43:09,759 --> 01:43:08,030 extra-terrestrial hypothesis you know 2202 01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:09,769 anyone who's been involved in UFOs for 2203 01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:12,110 any amount of time the ETH almost seems 2204 01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:15,230 kind of boring to people like you know 2205 01:43:20,979 --> 01:43:18,050 are there men and women from another 2206 01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:20,989 planet in metal spaceships coming here 2207 01:43:24,729 --> 01:43:22,610 take us to your leader that type of 2208 01:43:27,370 --> 01:43:24,739 thing and back in the 1950s when people 2209 01:43:29,379 --> 01:43:27,380 were first talking about this it was 2210 01:43:31,209 --> 01:43:29,389 kind of like the Buck Rogers version of 2211 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:31,219 the extra-terrestrial hypothesis that is 2212 01:43:34,930 --> 01:43:33,050 you know we're gonna get into our rocket 2213 01:43:36,189 --> 01:43:34,940 ship and go out in a space and and that 2214 01:43:37,689 --> 01:43:36,199 must be what they're doing you know 2215 01:43:42,879 --> 01:43:37,699 being from another planet of travel to 2216 01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:42,889 get here and I think it'd be it was 2217 01:43:46,810 --> 01:43:45,199 attractive for a little period of time 2218 01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:46,820 but I think it became unattractive 2219 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:48,110 because people started to think well 2220 01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:52,010 first of all you have people like valet 2221 01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:53,600 in the 60s who 2222 01:43:56,890 --> 01:43:55,010 looking into the fact that this 2223 01:43:59,500 --> 01:43:56,900 phenomenon might just go back throughout 2224 01:44:01,870 --> 01:43:59,510 all of our history he's looking at 2225 01:44:03,580 --> 01:44:01,880 reports of fairies and other types of 2226 01:44:05,620 --> 01:44:03,590 creatures his great book passport to 2227 01:44:07,630 --> 01:44:05,630 mangonia and more recently incidentally 2228 01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:07,640 he co-authored an excellent book wonders 2229 01:44:13,540 --> 01:44:11,210 in the sky highly recommended where that 2230 01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:13,550 he talks about you know how the fact 2231 01:44:17,620 --> 01:44:15,470 that this is an ancient phenomenon and 2232 01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,630 so if it's an ancient phenomenon are we 2233 01:44:21,670 --> 01:44:19,760 really inclined to think that they've 2234 01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:21,680 they're coming from another planet 2235 01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:23,600 they're maybe there's something more 2236 01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:25,130 interesting there and I thoughts a fair 2237 01:44:30,370 --> 01:44:27,490 statement and then there's even more 2238 01:44:32,230 --> 01:44:30,380 interesting state theories you've got 2239 01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:32,240 various forms of an interdimensional 2240 01:44:35,860 --> 01:44:33,710 type of hypothesis you know are these 2241 01:44:37,930 --> 01:44:35,870 beings actually from another planet or 2242 01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:37,940 are there other dimensions are they from 2243 01:44:40,540 --> 01:44:38,690 another dimension 2244 01:44:42,220 --> 01:44:40,550 I mean after all there's thousands and 2245 01:44:44,230 --> 01:44:42,230 thousands of sightings every year are we 2246 01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:44,240 really dealing with beings from another 2247 01:44:49,530 --> 01:44:46,250 planet that are surveilling the earth or 2248 01:44:52,510 --> 01:44:49,540 coming here I mean it seems a little bit 2249 01:44:56,020 --> 01:44:52,520 odd to think of it think of it that way 2250 01:45:00,400 --> 01:44:56,030 so and then there's other possibilities 2251 01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:00,410 you know there's you know is it the fact 2252 01:45:05,410 --> 01:45:03,170 that an ancient human society or an 2253 01:45:08,140 --> 01:45:05,420 ancient variation of our own species 2254 01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:08,150 broke off in one way or another and 2255 01:45:13,930 --> 01:45:12,290 developed in a parallel form not sharing 2256 01:45:15,460 --> 01:45:13,940 their secret with the rest of us is that 2257 01:45:17,230 --> 01:45:15,470 what we're dealing with I mean there's 2258 01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:17,240 all these ideas but I would say this 2259 01:45:24,250 --> 01:45:19,490 that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis 2260 01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:24,260 for all of that is still probably still 2261 01:45:30,670 --> 01:45:27,890 the single best theory to explain what's 2262 01:45:33,790 --> 01:45:30,680 going on and I say this but we need to 2263 01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:33,800 update our understanding of the ETH but 2264 01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,690 one reason that I still think it's a 2265 01:45:40,210 --> 01:45:37,760 strong theory is that you've got all of 2266 01:45:41,500 --> 01:45:40,220 these very very officially documented 2267 01:45:43,390 --> 01:45:41,510 cases I'm talking about military 2268 01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:43,400 documents that talk about engagements 2269 01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:46,550 with objects that are so far beyond our 2270 01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:49,010 own apparent capabilities I mean and 2271 01:45:52,180 --> 01:45:50,690 you've had a number of analysts saying 2272 01:45:53,650 --> 01:45:52,190 look it's not the Russians it's not 2273 01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:53,660 anything that we know about it's not 2274 01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,170 natural phenomenon so it's really not a 2275 01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,400 stretch to wonder if this is an 2276 01:46:02,740 --> 01:46:00,560 extraterrestrial thing and then on top 2277 01:46:04,660 --> 01:46:02,750 of that you do have sighting after 2278 01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:04,670 siding and presiding after sighting by 2279 01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:05,940 people of 2280 01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:08,910 that look like aliens they don't look 2281 01:46:14,810 --> 01:46:11,730 like human beings so what are they if 2282 01:46:17,210 --> 01:46:14,820 not from another maybe they're 2283 01:46:19,340 --> 01:46:17,220 genetically modified human beings may be 2284 01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:19,350 alright but maybe they're not from here 2285 01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:22,280 maybe they really are not from here and 2286 01:46:28,970 --> 01:46:26,460 so you've got a lot of the abduction 2287 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:28,980 research and counter research that does 2288 01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:31,530 in my view seem to support the idea that 2289 01:46:35,570 --> 01:46:33,780 we're dealing with extraterrestrials at 2290 01:46:38,150 --> 01:46:35,580 least quite possibly extraterrestrials 2291 01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:38,160 but I would I would say I think you 2292 01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:39,930 sounds like you would agree that we want 2293 01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:42,300 a fresh extra-terrestrial hypothesis 2294 01:46:44,900 --> 01:46:43,290 this is something I've really been 2295 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:44,910 thinking a lot about over the last 2296 01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,890 couple of years so it would be an 2297 01:46:53,110 --> 01:46:48,480 extraterrestrial hypothesis that would 2298 01:46:56,660 --> 01:46:53,120 incorporate contemporary science 2299 01:46:59,900 --> 01:46:56,670 contemporary ideas in AI and robotics 2300 01:47:03,320 --> 01:46:59,910 and computing and quantum computing and 2301 01:47:07,220 --> 01:47:03,330 beyond quantum computing and the fact 2302 01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:07,230 that these you know what would and a 2303 01:47:10,730 --> 01:47:09,210 very very advanced civilization look 2304 01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:10,740 like well it would as arthur c clarke 2305 01:47:14,930 --> 01:47:12,930 say it would seem indistinguishable from 2306 01:47:16,850 --> 01:47:14,940 magic almost certainly you know they've 2307 01:47:19,790 --> 01:47:16,860 got quantum computing and beyond 2308 01:47:21,890 --> 01:47:19,800 they've got advanced post singularity AI 2309 01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:21,900 they've got total genetic mastery i 2310 01:47:25,580 --> 01:47:23,730 would have to assume they've got total 2311 01:47:27,530 --> 01:47:25,590 organic printing and we're beyond 2312 01:47:29,390 --> 01:47:27,540 anything that we can imagine and the 2313 01:47:33,770 --> 01:47:29,400 creation of virtual reality in the sense 2314 01:47:35,090 --> 01:47:33,780 that you know we I don't know if we've 2315 01:47:36,260 --> 01:47:35,100 really gotten to that point in our own 2316 01:47:39,380 --> 01:47:36,270 civilization they can manipulate 2317 01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:39,390 space-time they can fold space-time I'm 2318 01:47:43,190 --> 01:47:41,220 sure of this I mean our own 2319 01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:43,200 mathematicians we have miguel al kabir 2320 01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:45,210 twenty-five years ago at the university 2321 01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:48,030 of wales gave a mathematical model of 2322 01:47:52,460 --> 01:47:50,250 warp drive it works what we don't have 2323 01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:52,470 is the energy we can't generate the 2324 01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,400 energy necessary for warp drive like 2325 01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,560 Captain Kirk would want us to do but but 2326 01:48:03,110 --> 01:48:00,480 the the principles are there and 2327 01:48:05,780 --> 01:48:03,120 apparently the math is good and I think 2328 01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:05,790 that there are other beings that have 2329 01:48:10,130 --> 01:48:06,810 figured this out so if you can 2330 01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:10,140 manipulate space-time fold space-time or 2331 01:48:14,060 --> 01:48:12,360 do whatever you can you can defeat the 2332 01:48:17,420 --> 01:48:14,070 speed of light boundary and your own 2333 01:48:19,339 --> 01:48:17,430 little loophole so this is the type of 2334 01:48:21,620 --> 01:48:19,349 ETH we have to be thinking about 2335 01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:21,630 the beings that have intense kind of 2336 01:48:26,359 --> 01:48:24,810 telepathy that may be natural or 2337 01:48:28,939 --> 01:48:26,369 artificially enhanced telepathy and 2338 01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:28,949 they've got the ability to induce I 2339 01:48:32,569 --> 01:48:30,719 think what Dave Jacobs called total 2340 01:48:33,530 --> 01:48:32,579 neurological control over us that is if 2341 01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:33,540 they don't want you to move a muscle 2342 01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:35,250 you're not gonna move a muscle 2343 01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,320 you know levitate people and move you 2344 01:48:42,319 --> 01:48:39,360 through walls all of this I think so 2345 01:48:46,490 --> 01:48:42,329 it's an ETH but it's an ETH that seems 2346 01:48:50,930 --> 01:48:46,500 so far advanced that we don't know how 2347 01:48:53,959 --> 01:48:50,940 to how to make sense of it sometimes and 2348 01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:53,969 I would suspect that it's an ETH that is 2349 01:48:57,459 --> 01:48:55,650 kind of melded with the kind of 2350 01:49:00,740 --> 01:48:57,469 homegrown version I mean in other words 2351 01:49:02,959 --> 01:49:00,750 what are these cases of beings that look 2352 01:49:05,180 --> 01:49:02,969 exactly human are they really from 2353 01:49:07,879 --> 01:49:05,190 another planet like I don't think so 2354 01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:07,889 I don't believe that the encounters of 2355 01:49:11,089 --> 01:49:09,510 the blondes or they're not all blonde 2356 01:49:12,919 --> 01:49:11,099 they don't all have blue eyes and sadly 2357 01:49:15,530 --> 01:49:12,929 some of them have black hair some of 2358 01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:15,540 them have have a dark skin not light 2359 01:49:20,209 --> 01:49:17,250 skin and so on there's a variety of 2360 01:49:23,149 --> 01:49:20,219 these beings that are but they're not 2361 01:49:25,399 --> 01:49:23,159 like us right so are they really from 2362 01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:25,409 another planet I'm saying no I don't 2363 01:49:28,250 --> 01:49:26,610 think they're from another planet I 2364 01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:28,260 think they're us I think they're 2365 01:49:33,319 --> 01:49:31,530 genetically modified maybe they are 2366 01:49:35,180 --> 01:49:33,329 behind her or maybe an alien species is 2367 01:49:38,030 --> 01:49:35,190 behind it who knows I don't know but 2368 01:49:43,149 --> 01:49:38,040 there are too many sightings by people 2369 01:49:45,260 --> 01:49:43,159 of these completely human looking beings 2370 01:49:47,780 --> 01:49:45,270 that I can't discount it 2371 01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:47,790 I would love to discount it I would love 2372 01:49:53,569 --> 01:49:51,000 for the UFO phenomenon to fit into this 2373 01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:53,579 neat little package that would make it 2374 01:49:58,220 --> 01:49:56,130 very easy from me to say it's this or is 2375 01:50:01,280 --> 01:49:58,230 that or it's this but it it refuses to 2376 01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,290 do that and part of it is that you've 2377 01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:03,360 got beings Abdullah cumin and beings 2378 01:50:07,700 --> 01:50:05,280 that do not look human so the ones that 2379 01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:07,710 do look human I'm going to assume 2380 01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:10,409 they're human but they're not exactly 2381 01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:11,340 like us 2382 01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:13,710 they're tweaked in some important way so 2383 01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:16,170 does that mean that they were you know 2384 01:50:20,419 --> 01:50:18,300 some alien race took a bunch of people 2385 01:50:23,209 --> 01:50:20,429 from Norway 10,000 years ago and said 2386 01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:23,219 let's raise them to be like us and and 2387 01:50:27,319 --> 01:50:25,290 gave them their own enhanced 2388 01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:27,329 capabilities and so that those human 2389 01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:28,710 beings would have nothing in common with 2390 01:50:31,790 --> 01:50:29,040 us 2391 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:31,800 culturally really they wouldn't have 2392 01:50:37,490 --> 01:50:33,930 anything but maybe that's the case or 2393 01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,500 maybe it's a homegrown human group I 2394 01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:39,360 don't I don't know the answer to this 2395 01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:43,860 but there's a lot that is at play here 2396 01:50:51,620 --> 01:50:47,730 and I'm long past the point where I feel 2397 01:50:54,020 --> 01:50:51,630 a strong need to know for sure is it one 2398 01:50:55,490 --> 01:50:54,030 or the other I mean it would be great it 2399 01:50:57,290 --> 01:50:55,500 would be wonderful if I knew the answer 2400 01:51:00,680 --> 01:50:57,300 to that one day I would be okay great 2401 01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:00,690 awesome but I'm not expecting it but 2402 01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:02,310 there's more than enough work in one day 2403 01:51:08,300 --> 01:51:05,010 for for someone like myself simply to 2404 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:08,310 understand what's in front of me and and 2405 01:51:12,020 --> 01:51:10,530 most importantly I do think it's it's 2406 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:12,030 valuable and I'm shifting gears or 2407 01:51:19,670 --> 01:51:14,970 slightly if you allow me for us to have 2408 01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:19,680 a more intelligent public conversation 2409 01:51:25,130 --> 01:51:23,070 about this phenomenon so that more 2410 01:51:27,110 --> 01:51:25,140 people can participate in the 2411 01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:27,120 conversation because really we meet more 2412 01:51:28,820 --> 01:51:28,170 people to participate in this 2413 01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:28,830 conversation 2414 01:51:34,460 --> 01:51:31,800 we need more very very smart thoughtful 2415 01:51:37,670 --> 01:51:34,470 people to offer their own ideas and 2416 01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:37,680 research and maybe we'll get some 2417 01:51:42,890 --> 01:51:40,260 answers and that means some form of if 2418 01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:42,900 not political disclosure then maybe 2419 01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:44,460 we'll call it cultural disclosure a 2420 01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,520 cultural transformation by which people 2421 01:51:51,620 --> 01:51:49,440 just stop caring about the stigma 2422 01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:51,630 associated with this phenomenon and 2423 01:51:57,260 --> 01:51:53,730 realize that this is the greatest 2424 01:51:58,910 --> 01:51:57,270 mystery of our time and decide to get on 2425 01:52:01,160 --> 01:51:58,920 this train and not and not miss out 2426 01:52:04,190 --> 01:52:01,170 because it's the best ride of of your 2427 01:52:08,900 --> 01:52:04,200 life it's fun and I thought that you 2428 01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:08,910 were going to go here so I'm going to 2429 01:52:15,980 --> 01:52:11,940 ask for clarification oh sure is is 2430 01:52:19,130 --> 01:52:15,990 there the possibility that those that 2431 01:52:21,650 --> 01:52:19,140 look like us are us from the future 2432 01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:21,660 time travelers they're already here 2433 01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:22,830 though I don't know what I think about 2434 01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:24,960 time travel as a hypothesis for this 2435 01:52:30,890 --> 01:52:28,050 it's never really appealed to me I know 2436 01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:30,900 there are folks who believe it people 2437 01:52:34,490 --> 01:52:32,400 like James Penniston is convinced that 2438 01:52:36,740 --> 01:52:34,500 that is that's the answer and maybe he's 2439 01:52:40,750 --> 01:52:36,750 right I don't I don't think that I 2440 01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:40,760 believe it but I don't know enough 2441 01:52:46,580 --> 01:52:42,630 honestly about the 2442 01:52:47,870 --> 01:52:46,590 the capabilities of space-time 2443 01:52:49,690 --> 01:52:47,880 manipulation to know that it's 2444 01:52:53,090 --> 01:52:49,700 impossible there are certain logical 2445 01:52:56,090 --> 01:52:53,100 problems that come to my mind relating 2446 01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:56,100 to going back into time so for example 2447 01:52:59,330 --> 01:52:57,810 I'll just give you one example and I've 2448 01:53:01,340 --> 01:52:59,340 never been able to shake this example so 2449 01:53:02,930 --> 01:53:01,350 if you're gonna go back in time like 2450 01:53:05,180 --> 01:53:02,940 let's say we're in the future right and 2451 01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,190 we want to go back in time so how 2452 01:53:09,380 --> 01:53:07,440 exactly do you do that because if you 2453 01:53:11,570 --> 01:53:09,390 look at our universe 2454 01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:11,580 forget dimensions for the moment if you 2455 01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:16,260 if you will our earth is not static in 2456 01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:19,080 space right it's revolving around the 2457 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:21,570 Sun and our Sun is not static in space 2458 01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:23,370 either it is rotating around the center 2459 01:53:27,890 --> 01:53:25,650 of our galaxy and our galaxy is not 2460 01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:27,900 stable in space it too is part of a 2461 01:53:31,730 --> 01:53:29,850 local group and a larger group and it's 2462 01:53:34,820 --> 01:53:31,740 moving so if you're gonna go back in 2463 01:53:37,480 --> 01:53:34,830 time seems to me you're going literally 2464 01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:37,490 to wind back the clock of the entire 2465 01:53:41,630 --> 01:53:38,760 universe 2466 01:53:44,270 --> 01:53:41,640 every cell every microorganism 2467 01:53:47,780 --> 01:53:44,280 everything that exists and you're gonna 2468 01:53:51,620 --> 01:53:47,790 what wind it all back to its physical 2469 01:53:53,630 --> 01:53:51,630 location in all of space and go back 2470 01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:53,640 there how's that even possible like I 2471 01:53:58,010 --> 01:53:56,340 don't I don't understand that if someone 2472 01:53:58,460 --> 01:53:58,020 can explain that to me then I'd be very 2473 01:54:01,840 --> 01:53:58,470 grateful 2474 01:54:04,190 --> 01:54:01,850 now are they coming from another 2475 01:54:05,660 --> 01:54:04,200 different dimension in the future and if 2476 01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:05,670 that's the case and is that a different 2477 01:54:11,380 --> 01:54:07,830 outcome of reality and are we dealing 2478 01:54:14,990 --> 01:54:11,390 with a multiplicity virtual infinity of 2479 01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:15,000 outcomes a virtual infinity of people 2480 01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:16,710 just like ourselves and if that's the 2481 01:54:21,410 --> 01:54:19,050 case then who really cares why does it 2482 01:54:25,580 --> 01:54:21,420 even matter what future are they coming 2483 01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:25,590 back from to influence our timeline and 2484 01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,900 why the hell would they care like and 2485 01:54:31,010 --> 01:54:29,760 how is that going to affect them like 2486 01:54:33,770 --> 01:54:31,020 you understand where I'm going with this 2487 01:54:36,770 --> 01:54:33,780 yeah I don't really understand the logic 2488 01:54:39,890 --> 01:54:36,780 right now of course of course that just 2489 01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,900 poo-poos the whole idea but that's kind 2490 01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:42,000 of like the ETH you're looking at it in 2491 01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:45,180 a nuts-and-bolts sense but if you go 2492 01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:49,410 with if you go with Einstein's theory of 2493 01:54:54,890 --> 01:54:52,650 relativity and the speed of light you 2494 01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:54,900 don't need a machine you're not turning 2495 01:54:59,069 --> 01:54:56,320 the universe 2496 01:55:01,529 --> 01:54:59,079 you jump on your starship Richard Dolan 2497 01:55:03,209 --> 01:55:01,539 and you take off for two years in one 2498 01:55:07,950 --> 01:55:03,219 direction at the speed of light and come 2499 01:55:11,759 --> 01:55:07,960 back I'm gone you have not aged right 2500 01:55:13,799 --> 01:55:11,769 and behind can be manipulated in time is 2501 01:55:15,870 --> 01:55:13,809 manipulated this has been a measureable 2502 01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:15,880 fact of our world this is why clocks 2503 01:55:22,140 --> 01:55:18,880 will move at a different rate at Earth's 2504 01:55:24,359 --> 01:55:22,150 surface as even in our upper atmosphere 2505 01:55:26,279 --> 01:55:24,369 the effect is measurable and the further 2506 01:55:28,529 --> 01:55:26,289 out you go it does make a difference but 2507 01:55:30,779 --> 01:55:28,539 the real question is can you reverse it 2508 01:55:32,339 --> 01:55:30,789 and I don't know if physicists who say 2509 01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,349 that you can I mean I know yes some have 2510 01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:34,239 said theoretically the math would allow 2511 01:55:39,419 --> 01:55:37,119 it but can it really happen I mean I 2512 01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:39,429 don't understand physically how it would 2513 01:55:44,129 --> 01:55:41,320 happen because it seems to me that you 2514 01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:44,139 are kind of rewinding the clock of not 2515 01:55:49,709 --> 01:55:47,530 just not just like your little town so 2516 01:55:51,899 --> 01:55:49,719 that you can go like Michael J Fox him 2517 01:55:54,569 --> 01:55:51,909 back to the future and and meet your mom 2518 01:55:57,330 --> 01:55:54,579 when she was like that to do that you 2519 01:55:59,970 --> 01:55:57,340 have to rewind it seems to me all of 2520 01:56:03,600 --> 01:55:59,980 creation and I have no idea how that 2521 01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:03,610 happened I'll tell you one fascinating 2522 01:56:10,379 --> 01:56:06,249 rabbit hole to go down just look up 2523 01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:10,389 Albert Einstein and time loops okay just 2524 01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:14,110 just go right there and check out no I 2525 01:56:17,549 --> 01:56:15,760 know I know I know that's what I'm 2526 01:56:19,799 --> 01:56:17,559 that's what I'm good for us take a break 2527 01:56:21,569 --> 01:56:19,809 right here and when we come back I'm 2528 01:56:25,379 --> 01:56:21,579 gonna I'm gonna tell you about what 2529 01:56:27,989 --> 01:56:25,389 happened to me last week with Steve 2530 01:56:31,620 --> 01:56:27,999 Murillo and the reason why I brought up 2531 01:56:34,319 --> 01:56:31,630 the ETH to you because Richard is Steven 2532 01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:34,329 hi Steve and I had a daytime sighting a 2533 01:56:39,540 --> 01:56:37,090 real one okay and we'll talk about that 2534 01:56:41,939 --> 01:56:39,550 when 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01:59:43,510 --> 01:59:35,960 the t-dot-com 2601 01:59:44,830 --> 01:59:43,520 get the t.com get t.com did you know 2602 01:59:47,350 --> 01:59:44,840 that when you're on the road with 2603 01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:47,360 limited data or Wi-Fi available you can 2604 01:59:51,790 --> 01:59:49,370 still listen to every minute of fade to 2605 01:59:54,220 --> 01:59:51,800 black by just calling six oh five five 2606 01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:54,230 six two four four eight two no 2607 01:59:59,020 --> 01:59:56,690 smartphone app or internet needed it 2608 02:00:01,660 --> 01:59:59,030 saves your data plan and no extra cost 2609 02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:01,670 if you have unlimited minutes just call 2610 02:00:06,970 --> 02:00:04,250 six oh five five six two four four eight 2611 02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:06,980 two you can listen to me Jimmy Church on 2612 02:00:15,930 --> 02:00:19,950 [Music] 2613 02:00:26,350 --> 02:00:22,270 you want to know a secret 2614 02:00:29,290 --> 02:00:26,360 I love ponies I really love ponies I'm 2615 02:00:32,820 --> 02:00:29,300 serious I couldn't stay sane without 2616 02:00:39,060 --> 02:00:32,830 poor mr. rush I fade to black 2617 02:00:43,060 --> 02:00:40,930 this is fade to black 2618 02:00:46,750 --> 02:00:43,070 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2619 02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:46,760 radio network and K GRA the global radio 2620 02:01:00,919 --> 02:00:49,130 alliance 2621 02:01:03,209 --> 02:01:00,929 [Music] 2622 02:01:04,020 --> 02:01:03,219 welcome back fade to black I'm your host 2623 02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:04,030 Jimmy Church 2624 02:01:11,189 --> 02:01:09,850 I guess the night Richard Dolan let 2625 02:01:14,189 --> 02:01:11,199 everybody know I don't know what 2626 02:01:17,010 --> 02:01:14,199 happened but our video feed just dropped 2627 02:01:18,630 --> 02:01:17,020 so I'll reboot it it's just I was 2628 02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:18,640 sitting here in the city I just looked 2629 02:01:24,180 --> 02:01:21,010 at it just went click it was a bizarre 2630 02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:24,190 it's just shut itself off so I'll reboot 2631 02:01:27,870 --> 02:01:24,730 it 2632 02:01:30,300 --> 02:01:27,880 we'll get the the bunker cam back up and 2633 02:01:32,490 --> 02:01:30,310 Richard okay so this is what happened 2634 02:01:34,380 --> 02:01:32,500 alright before you do this Jimmy yeah 2635 02:01:36,330 --> 02:01:34,390 can I just want to make one last 2636 02:01:38,850 --> 02:01:36,340 statement on time travel sure just like 2637 02:01:40,260 --> 02:01:38,860 okay aside a nice little conversation 2638 02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:40,270 with Tracy during the break and she's 2639 02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:41,530 she's sitting right here by the way she 2640 02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:46,690 says hi and my thought on this I just 2641 02:01:55,070 --> 02:01:51,370 want to say that time is hard to figure 2642 02:01:57,689 --> 02:01:55,080 out like I fully believe that there are 2643 02:01:59,700 --> 02:01:57,699 individuals who are able to see other 2644 02:02:01,530 --> 02:01:59,710 points of the space-time spectrum that's 2645 02:02:03,620 --> 02:02:01,540 called remote viewing and I believe in 2646 02:02:06,479 --> 02:02:03,630 remote viewing for a very very long time 2647 02:02:11,010 --> 02:02:06,489 so there's something about that that 2648 02:02:16,439 --> 02:02:11,020 tells me time is not just this straight 2649 02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:16,449 forward linear thing right but and so 2650 02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:19,210 time travel like if we if we were to 2651 02:02:24,419 --> 02:02:22,810 find a way to go back in time I could 2652 02:02:27,959 --> 02:02:24,429 conceive I mean there have been examples 2653 02:02:31,260 --> 02:02:27,969 where individuals have seen what appear 2654 02:02:32,130 --> 02:02:31,270 to be events of the past psychically or 2655 02:02:34,050 --> 02:02:32,140 in some other way there's a famous 2656 02:02:36,630 --> 02:02:34,060 example of a one of the greatest 2657 02:02:39,330 --> 02:02:36,640 historians ever Arnold Toynbee who had a 2658 02:02:41,729 --> 02:02:39,340 vision as a young man of a battlefield 2659 02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:41,739 in ancient Greece and it sounded 2660 02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:44,170 mystical but Toynbee was not really much 2661 02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:45,810 of a mystical kind of a guy but he 2662 02:02:51,899 --> 02:02:48,340 talked about this first entire life and 2663 02:02:54,479 --> 02:02:51,909 and so on and so on so there's you know 2664 02:02:58,560 --> 02:02:54,489 maybe there's like a psychic residue 2665 02:03:01,020 --> 02:02:58,570 that exists and and I would be 2666 02:03:02,610 --> 02:03:01,030 interested in future capabilities that 2667 02:03:04,110 --> 02:03:02,620 we may have whether through 2668 02:03:08,130 --> 02:03:04,120 consciousness or through consciousness 2669 02:03:11,380 --> 02:03:08,140 but technology to be able to see the 2670 02:03:13,630 --> 02:03:11,390 past right 2671 02:03:14,890 --> 02:03:13,640 and I think that might be possible but 2672 02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:14,900 the real question is would you be able 2673 02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:16,490 to interact with the past you know the 2674 02:03:22,180 --> 02:03:19,250 old axiom or paradox could you kill 2675 02:03:25,570 --> 02:03:22,190 you're a great grandparent or your 2676 02:03:27,850 --> 02:03:25,580 grandparent and thereby may extinguish 2677 02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:27,860 yourself like is that such a thing 2678 02:03:32,050 --> 02:03:30,080 possible and I think the answer to that 2679 02:03:33,370 --> 02:03:32,060 I would say is no I don't think that 2680 02:03:36,340 --> 02:03:33,380 that will be possible but it might be 2681 02:03:37,300 --> 02:03:36,350 possible in other words I don't know I 2682 02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:37,310 don't think that it would be possible 2683 02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:40,010 for us to affect the past in a way that 2684 02:03:43,690 --> 02:03:41,810 would change the present I'm not 2685 02:03:45,940 --> 02:03:43,700 convinced that that's possible but to be 2686 02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:45,950 able to do other kinds of manipulations 2687 02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:48,410 of space and time yes I do believe that 2688 02:03:54,910 --> 02:03:51,050 that is absolutely possible yeah to 2689 02:03:56,350 --> 02:03:54,920 observe it to be an observable yeah that 2690 02:03:58,480 --> 02:03:56,360 could be possible yeah to be an observer 2691 02:03:59,920 --> 02:03:58,490 I think everything is electronic you 2692 02:04:02,860 --> 02:03:59,930 know everything has been recorded 2693 02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:02,870 everything is out there we just have to 2694 02:04:08,620 --> 02:04:06,290 figure out how to access it yeah I I 2695 02:04:10,090 --> 02:04:08,630 don't know that that's true but I don't 2696 02:04:12,460 --> 02:04:10,100 deny it and I think maybe that is the 2697 02:04:17,380 --> 02:04:12,470 case now it would be nice if it were the 2698 02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:17,390 case now going back to the ETH I I have 2699 02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:20,000 seen you know so much through my 2700 02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:22,760 night-vision goggles that I have and I'd 2701 02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:25,010 go out and observe things and I can do 2702 02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:26,270 it right you know after the show tonight 2703 02:04:31,150 --> 02:04:28,130 just grab them and go and look and I'll 2704 02:04:33,940 --> 02:04:31,160 see something and I don't know what that 2705 02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:33,950 phenomenon is and some of it I think is 2706 02:04:40,300 --> 02:04:37,250 very plasma oriented but then I have 2707 02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:40,310 flash lasers and I've seen lasers go off 2708 02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:43,130 of these craft that that looked like 2709 02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:45,290 light but then you'll see the laser 2710 02:04:50,020 --> 02:04:48,170 reflect off of them so now I know that 2711 02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:50,030 they're solid so that that's pretty 2712 02:04:54,610 --> 02:04:51,770 strange but check this that's all 2713 02:04:57,970 --> 02:04:54,620 nighttime stuff this is what happened 2714 02:05:02,500 --> 02:04:57,980 last week Steve Murillo and I I'm up at 2715 02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:02,510 he said he and I've got a high-powered 2716 02:05:06,850 --> 02:05:05,360 pair of binoculars not night-vision this 2717 02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:06,860 is during the day it's about 4:00 p.m. 2718 02:05:11,890 --> 02:05:09,410 in the afternoon and I'm looking at 2719 02:05:13,930 --> 02:05:11,900 Mount Adams I've got a tripod as steve 2720 02:05:15,610 --> 02:05:13,940 is sitting there's somebody next to me 2721 02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:15,620 but steve is sitting like two people 2722 02:05:21,640 --> 02:05:18,650 over from me doing the same thing we've 2723 02:05:24,580 --> 02:05:21,650 got these amazing binoculars I'm looking 2724 02:05:26,230 --> 02:05:24,590 at Mount Adams and I'm in nature 2725 02:05:27,900 --> 02:05:26,240 right I'm just looking at the beautiful 2726 02:05:32,050 --> 02:05:27,910 mountain that's all you know just I'm 2727 02:05:35,610 --> 02:05:32,060 setting out I'm in the moment and and at 2728 02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:35,620 that instant now wrap your head around 2729 02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:38,990 this I'm looking at the top of Mount 2730 02:05:45,010 --> 02:05:42,350 Adams the peak it's 14 miles away it's 2731 02:05:48,340 --> 02:05:45,020 12,000 feet high I'm looking at the top 2732 02:05:51,940 --> 02:05:48,350 of the mountain and to the on the right 2733 02:05:57,010 --> 02:05:51,950 side of the peak suddenly and I'm in the 2734 02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:57,020 Zen moment there's ginormous and it 2735 02:06:00,910 --> 02:05:58,880 didn't it didn't appear from the left 2736 02:06:02,860 --> 02:06:00,920 and go behind the mountain okay it just 2737 02:06:05,500 --> 02:06:02,870 popped up and I've been sitting there 2738 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:05,510 for 15 minutes Richard looking at the 2739 02:06:10,300 --> 02:06:07,450 mountain nothing came in from the left 2740 02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:10,310 from the right side from behind the 2741 02:06:20,590 --> 02:06:16,570 mountain at the top is this giant black 2742 02:06:25,780 --> 02:06:20,600 oblong it was tall okay it was vertical 2743 02:06:28,330 --> 02:06:25,790 was tall spinning thing I'm gonna guess 2744 02:06:31,330 --> 02:06:28,340 because it was 14 miles away this is 2745 02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:31,340 probably a couple of hundred feet tall 2746 02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:34,370 and it's spinning and it's black and 2747 02:06:42,730 --> 02:06:39,530 it's got this giant silver circle in the 2748 02:06:44,590 --> 02:06:42,740 middle of it so I imagine like a giant 2749 02:06:47,970 --> 02:06:44,600 sieve like was it taller than it was 2750 02:06:51,850 --> 02:06:47,980 white yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and 2751 02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:51,860 imagine spinning black beer can with the 2752 02:06:57,010 --> 02:06:54,320 silver label in the middle or round 2753 02:07:03,970 --> 02:06:57,020 circle but it was round at the top and 2754 02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:03,980 the bottom okay and but it's spinning 2755 02:07:09,310 --> 02:07:06,710 and it's in the middle of the day and 2756 02:07:11,890 --> 02:07:09,320 the Sun is reflecting on it it's 2757 02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:11,900 perfectly in focus and it's moving from 2758 02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:14,480 west to east it's moving from left to 2759 02:07:21,460 --> 02:07:17,570 right perfectly a horsy you know 2760 02:07:22,990 --> 02:07:21,470 perfectly straight line and I jump I 2761 02:07:26,890 --> 02:07:23,000 can't even believe what I'm seeing 2762 02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:26,900 right rique out I go from Zen mode to 2763 02:07:33,580 --> 02:07:29,570 adrenaline mode there's about 50 people 2764 02:07:35,860 --> 02:07:33,590 there and and I jump up and I'm yelling 2765 02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:35,870 video video video pictures pictures 2766 02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:37,360 jutsu to everybody 2767 02:07:41,310 --> 02:07:38,639 you know everybody's got a camera 2768 02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:41,320 everybody right and I'm yelling and 2769 02:07:48,050 --> 02:07:45,730 screaming and I go back and as I go to 2770 02:07:52,260 --> 02:07:48,060 sit down I literally jumped up and down 2771 02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:52,270 Steve goes I see it I see it it's black 2772 02:07:57,359 --> 02:07:55,090 with a silver thing and it's spinning 2773 02:08:00,030 --> 02:07:57,369 that's all I needed to hear from him 2774 02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:00,040 right so he's confirming it yeah yeah 2775 02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:03,040 you know so I sit back down I look in 2776 02:08:08,340 --> 02:08:05,530 the binoculars and I catch back up to it 2777 02:08:11,340 --> 02:08:08,350 and this is about ten seconds in now and 2778 02:08:13,890 --> 02:08:11,350 I see it again and it's spinning I then 2779 02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:13,900 come off of the binoculars and I look at 2780 02:08:19,709 --> 02:08:16,960 it with my naked eye I can see it I can 2781 02:08:23,010 --> 02:08:19,719 see it spinning now it's 14 miles away 2782 02:08:26,689 --> 02:08:23,020 but you can see the spin you can see the 2783 02:08:29,879 --> 02:08:26,699 size ginormous and I go back to my 2784 02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:29,889 binoculars and a trip on this I go to 2785 02:08:34,830 --> 02:08:32,290 look and to catch up to it and I can't 2786 02:08:40,290 --> 02:08:34,840 find it I can't find it I can't find it 2787 02:08:44,930 --> 02:08:40,300 I get back off I look it's gone gone did 2788 02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:44,940 anyone recorded with I got I've got one 2789 02:08:50,220 --> 02:08:48,400 solid image okay and I'll send that to 2790 02:08:56,430 --> 02:08:50,230 you off the air I haven't published yet 2791 02:08:58,680 --> 02:08:56,440 but the thing is this I made a couple of 2792 02:09:00,720 --> 02:08:58,690 mistakes the mistake that I made was 2793 02:09:02,910 --> 02:09:00,730 going into panic mode I'll never do that 2794 02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:02,920 again I'll just pick up my stupid phone 2795 02:09:08,820 --> 02:09:04,690 and start taking some pictures and shoot 2796 02:09:11,370 --> 02:09:08,830 video everybody there was I didn't tell 2797 02:09:13,379 --> 02:09:11,380 where people I didn't tell them where to 2798 02:09:17,459 --> 02:09:13,389 shoot right so they're taking pictures 2799 02:09:20,459 --> 02:09:17,469 of everything all right and but there 2800 02:09:22,350 --> 02:09:20,469 were Steve and a couple of other people 2801 02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:22,360 that were sitting with us all watched it 2802 02:09:29,459 --> 02:09:26,710 and and they all saw it but I did I got 2803 02:09:31,859 --> 02:09:29,469 one image sent to me finally I've looked 2804 02:09:34,410 --> 02:09:31,869 at so many pictures people have sent to 2805 02:09:38,510 --> 02:09:34,420 me that it wasn't it and that's fine but 2806 02:09:44,250 --> 02:09:38,520 I got one that is and there you go date 2807 02:09:46,439 --> 02:09:44,260 a JPEG yeah yeah okay and but hopefully 2808 02:09:46,900 --> 02:09:46,449 it hasn't been cropped or edited in any 2809 02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:46,910 way 2810 02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:50,000 no no it's okay good so there's a 2811 02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:53,210 opportunity for decent analysis metadata 2812 02:09:57,600 --> 02:09:55,520 can be extracted as well and there's a 2813 02:10:03,700 --> 02:09:57,610 good opportunity for some corroboration 2814 02:10:05,770 --> 02:10:03,710 crazy yeah you know what you know what 2815 02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:05,780 you know what it shows it shows the 2816 02:10:11,230 --> 02:10:08,570 black object with the silver circle in 2817 02:10:13,300 --> 02:10:11,240 the middle now is it perfect you know 2818 02:10:16,540 --> 02:10:13,310 it's a cell phone shot from 14 miles 2819 02:10:20,290 --> 02:10:16,550 away but you enlarge it and it is what I 2820 02:10:23,950 --> 02:10:20,300 saw and I'm so thankful that this image 2821 02:10:28,020 --> 02:10:23,960 was was caught so I do have that but 2822 02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:28,030 what blows my mind here day time 2823 02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:32,450 ginormous spinning thing not what we 2824 02:10:37,570 --> 02:10:34,370 would think you know not flying saucer 2825 02:10:39,580 --> 02:10:37,580 starship Independence Day this was the 2826 02:10:45,930 --> 02:10:39,590 opposite direction was not it doesn't 2827 02:10:52,510 --> 02:10:49,000 no it came from behind the mountain it 2828 02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:52,520 just popped up I still think about that 2829 02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:54,050 kind of moment where you're just like 2830 02:10:58,690 --> 02:10:56,960 looking at birds in nature or you know 2831 02:11:03,660 --> 02:10:58,700 with your binoculars all of a sudden 2832 02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:06,640 was a much more dramatic version of 2833 02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:07,730 something that happened to me I've 2834 02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:09,890 talked about it many times like 20 years 2835 02:11:14,260 --> 02:11:12,530 ago when my son was very young I had a 2836 02:11:16,210 --> 02:11:14,270 sighting of something very unusual in 2837 02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:16,220 front of my house here in Rochester New 2838 02:11:21,010 --> 02:11:19,490 York a very unusual bright object in the 2839 02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:21,020 daytime sky that just caught my 2840 02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:24,650 attention and all I kept thinking was 2841 02:11:28,570 --> 02:11:26,810 this is significant don't look away 2842 02:11:32,020 --> 02:11:28,580 you'll never you may never see this 2843 02:11:33,730 --> 02:11:32,030 again and I had to to talk to my son it 2844 02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:33,740 was three years old and demanding my 2845 02:11:37,810 --> 02:11:35,840 attention and I was actually so 2846 02:11:39,490 --> 02:11:37,820 insistent on not losing this thing that 2847 02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:39,500 I've lifted up my left arm and pointed 2848 02:11:44,830 --> 02:11:42,320 at it to hold its place in the sky and I 2849 02:11:47,380 --> 02:11:44,840 and I faced him for one second I said 2850 02:11:48,700 --> 02:11:47,390 hang on I'm watching something and I 2851 02:11:51,070 --> 02:11:48,710 turned back and that thing just 2852 02:11:53,740 --> 02:11:51,080 disappeared it was like gone they 2853 02:11:55,450 --> 02:11:53,750 disappear without often without people 2854 02:11:57,220 --> 02:11:55,460 seeing how they go or where they go and 2855 02:11:59,630 --> 02:11:57,230 there's something very odd about the 2856 02:12:02,810 --> 02:11:59,640 phenomenon it often seems it's 2857 02:12:05,420 --> 02:12:02,820 feels almost interpersonal and I don't 2858 02:12:07,730 --> 02:12:05,430 know if it is but I will just say it 2859 02:12:09,380 --> 02:12:07,740 often will feel that way and that's an 2860 02:12:14,360 --> 02:12:09,390 interesting dimension of the phenomenon 2861 02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:14,370 right I can't explain I thought that it 2862 02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:16,320 was going to be up there with the speed 2863 02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:17,970 that it was going and at that altitude 2864 02:12:26,300 --> 02:12:21,300 we were gonna have a clear thing going 2865 02:12:28,430 --> 02:12:26,310 on for people minutes and it just 2866 02:12:33,950 --> 02:12:28,440 disappeared it was just a few seconds I 2867 02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:33,960 guess yeah 15 15 15 seconds 15 seconds 2868 02:12:39,620 --> 02:12:37,410 and I'm thankful that I saw it with my 2869 02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:39,630 naked eye and the binoculars but with 2870 02:12:46,010 --> 02:12:42,960 the binoculars crystal clear with the 2871 02:12:49,220 --> 02:12:46,020 Sun reflecting off of it it was not 2872 02:12:53,210 --> 02:12:49,230 vibrating it wasn't it wasn't fuzzy it 2873 02:12:54,890 --> 02:12:53,220 was perfect so you had 50 people there 2874 02:12:57,590 --> 02:12:54,900 this is some kind of a SETI event dying 2875 02:13:00,800 --> 02:12:57,600 yes yeah yeah yeah we had a conference 2876 02:13:02,420 --> 02:13:00,810 up there Steve Murillo who a lot of 2877 02:13:04,820 --> 02:13:02,430 folks listening probably knows Steve is 2878 02:13:06,110 --> 02:13:04,830 he's a great one of the best in our 2879 02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:06,120 field I've known him for years as well 2880 02:13:13,250 --> 02:13:09,090 and he is a stand-up guy so I'm glad 2881 02:13:16,190 --> 02:13:13,260 that he was with you I can't believe 2882 02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:16,200 that we were sitting there together when 2883 02:13:19,130 --> 02:13:17,040 this went down 2884 02:13:21,020 --> 02:13:19,140 when you know because I'm jumping up and 2885 02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:21,030 down right I just I'm yelling at 2886 02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:24,000 everybody to grab video and when I do 2887 02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:26,970 when I go back to sit down and get back 2888 02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:28,770 on the binoculars and to have Steve go 2889 02:13:33,230 --> 02:13:31,290 dude I see it it's black it's spinning 2890 02:13:35,690 --> 02:13:33,240 it's got a silver thing on it I see it I 2891 02:13:37,070 --> 02:13:35,700 was like okay I can I can relax let's 2892 02:13:39,770 --> 02:13:37,080 get back into this then it just 2893 02:13:42,440 --> 02:13:39,780 disappeared start on go seriously did 2894 02:13:45,020 --> 02:13:42,450 anyone else see it depart yes Steve said 2895 02:13:48,290 --> 02:13:45,030 it just went and went out of phase it 2896 02:13:50,540 --> 02:13:48,300 just just disappeared dissolve it didn't 2897 02:13:53,150 --> 02:13:50,550 it didn't zoom off it just what kind of 2898 02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:53,160 faded paint it away and see this this is 2899 02:13:57,200 --> 02:13:55,650 the thing I didn't see it fade away I 2900 02:13:58,430 --> 02:13:57,210 was trying to catch up to it in the 2901 02:14:01,400 --> 02:13:58,440 binoculars yeah 2902 02:14:05,210 --> 02:14:01,410 it's Steve and the others that saw it 2903 02:14:08,120 --> 02:14:05,220 just until clear blue sky cleared out a 2904 02:14:12,170 --> 02:14:08,130 cloud nothing it was all by itself up 2905 02:14:13,250 --> 02:14:12,180 there and I originally thought this I 2906 02:14:15,890 --> 02:14:13,260 thought hot air 2907 02:14:18,259 --> 02:14:15,900 balloon the second it appeared behind 2908 02:14:20,330 --> 02:14:18,269 the mountain I thought hot-air balloons 2909 02:14:22,580 --> 02:14:20,340 and I if it only took me about two 2910 02:14:25,490 --> 02:14:22,590 seconds to realize it didn't have that 2911 02:14:27,370 --> 02:14:25,500 shape that it was solid like a beer can 2912 02:14:30,350 --> 02:14:27,380 you know like a spinning beer can and 2913 02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:30,360 and and so I took that off the list 2914 02:14:33,770 --> 02:14:32,610 immediately I thought oh cool hot air 2915 02:14:38,330 --> 02:14:33,780 balloon whoa 2916 02:14:39,620 --> 02:14:38,340 it is not that log - sighs just go yeah 2917 02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:39,630 you've had some very interesting 2918 02:14:44,299 --> 02:14:42,090 sightings yet this is this was you 2919 02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:44,309 really have had quite a few I'm I'm 2920 02:14:48,740 --> 02:14:46,800 gonna I can officially put this at the 2921 02:14:51,979 --> 02:14:48,750 top of the list man this is Holy Grail 2922 02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:51,989 status you know day time 2923 02:14:56,569 --> 02:14:55,050 yeah it was amazing I'll have hope to 2924 02:14:57,850 --> 02:14:56,579 have something on that level I've said a 2925 02:15:00,919 --> 02:14:57,860 couple of interesting sightings though 2926 02:15:02,029 --> 02:15:00,929 that's not what drives me I would like 2927 02:15:04,669 --> 02:15:02,039 to have a sighting like what you're 2928 02:15:07,759 --> 02:15:04,679 saying you're describing but for me the 2929 02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:07,769 phenomenon is there's so much that about 2930 02:15:11,049 --> 02:15:09,599 it that is absolutely fascinating that 2931 02:15:14,450 --> 02:15:11,059 it has no problem keeping my interest 2932 02:15:17,419 --> 02:15:14,460 but I think it's it's there are certain 2933 02:15:20,419 --> 02:15:17,429 people that I have met who just are kind 2934 02:15:24,529 --> 02:15:20,429 of magnets for this phenomenon and maybe 2935 02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:24,539 you're becoming one yourself I know 2936 02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:28,110 right maybe I know I had one with you 2937 02:15:42,049 --> 02:15:37,580 and yeah I don't know I don't know what 2938 02:15:45,740 --> 02:15:42,059 it is I would if I'm going to venture 2939 02:15:49,009 --> 02:15:45,750 some kind of guess here it's that it's 2940 02:15:52,430 --> 02:15:49,019 the mood you know I'm not negative about 2941 02:15:55,370 --> 02:15:52,440 it I think there there's a certain mood 2942 02:15:57,290 --> 02:15:55,380 thing but going back to how we started 2943 02:16:01,970 --> 02:15:57,300 off the show tonight you know how did we 2944 02:16:04,609 --> 02:16:01,980 get here I'm more and more inclined to 2945 02:16:07,939 --> 02:16:04,619 think that there's something something 2946 02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:07,949 in our DNA that is activating and I'm 2947 02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,840 not I'm not in any way being facetious 2948 02:16:14,959 --> 02:16:11,760 I'm not playing around when I say this 2949 02:16:18,620 --> 02:16:14,969 that something is as has been triggered 2950 02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:18,630 that all of us are starting to ask these 2951 02:16:24,890 --> 02:16:21,210 fundamental questions that we've had 2952 02:16:26,970 --> 02:16:24,900 difficulty answering for for millennia 2953 02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:26,980 and I think that's that's part 2954 02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:31,679 of it and I think that maybe this is 2955 02:16:37,589 --> 02:16:34,960 exploding out of me maybe you know and 2956 02:16:39,780 --> 02:16:37,599 that it's detectable is that is is that 2957 02:16:41,820 --> 02:16:39,790 a crazy thought I can't explain oh no I 2958 02:16:44,060 --> 02:16:41,830 don't think it's crazy I think I mean we 2959 02:16:46,860 --> 02:16:44,070 are going through all kinds of 2960 02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:46,870 biological transformations people talk 2961 02:16:51,540 --> 02:16:48,610 about the science of epigenetics which 2962 02:16:53,549 --> 02:16:51,550 is a genuine science about the effects 2963 02:16:57,240 --> 02:16:53,559 of our external environment on our 2964 02:16:59,339 --> 02:16:57,250 genetic structure and we are affected by 2965 02:17:01,200 --> 02:16:59,349 what goes on around us and and much of 2966 02:17:02,700 --> 02:17:01,210 what goes on around us is our own affect 2967 02:17:07,230 --> 02:17:02,710 on ourselves so we are changing 2968 02:17:09,540 --> 02:17:07,240 ourselves all the time and it could be 2969 02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:09,550 that we are going well I think we are 2970 02:17:19,230 --> 02:17:16,620 transformation in our species I mean 2971 02:17:22,740 --> 02:17:19,240 when I say rapid I don't mean like we're 2972 02:17:24,419 --> 02:17:22,750 gonna be one way today and a completely 2973 02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:24,429 different species 10 years from now I 2974 02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:27,010 don't say that but when you look at the 2975 02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:30,130 long view human beings are going through 2976 02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:32,559 some significant changes right now that 2977 02:17:38,339 --> 02:17:36,210 and I I mean physiological as well as 2978 02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:38,349 emotional and intellectual and probably 2979 02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:39,370 a lot of other ways I don't know if it's 2980 02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:40,410 all for the better by the way 2981 02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:42,610 but we are going through changes and 2982 02:17:46,140 --> 02:17:45,130 maybe some of them are allowing for what 2983 02:17:49,740 --> 02:17:46,150 you're talking about it's totally 2984 02:17:52,470 --> 02:17:49,750 possible well when you get out onto an 2985 02:17:54,959 --> 02:17:52,480 open field or you know like that night 2986 02:17:57,390 --> 02:17:54,969 that you and I had our sighting together 2987 02:18:00,030 --> 02:17:57,400 yeah we had a group of what we pray at 2988 02:18:01,980 --> 02:18:00,040 20 30 40 of us that were there that 2989 02:18:05,759 --> 02:18:01,990 night yeah yeah yeah you know all 2990 02:18:09,089 --> 02:18:05,769 positively thinking thinking those 2991 02:18:11,940 --> 02:18:09,099 positive thoughts that you know there 2992 02:18:14,459 --> 02:18:11,950 it's a it's a magnet for that and so 2993 02:18:17,370 --> 02:18:14,469 yeah if I'm out there and I'm elevating 2994 02:18:19,140 --> 02:18:17,380 the level of vibration on a on an open 2995 02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:19,150 field with a couple of hundred people 2996 02:18:24,270 --> 02:18:21,519 that that that may have an effect on it 2997 02:18:26,730 --> 02:18:24,280 and I don't have a problem with thinking 2998 02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:26,740 that way because certainly it's happened 2999 02:18:33,799 --> 02:18:28,450 over and over again I've never had a 3000 02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:33,809 I've never had a Bunco night out there I 3001 02:18:40,110 --> 02:18:36,880 I've never I've never had that happen I 3002 02:18:40,860 --> 02:18:40,120 don't know I can't explain it I I really 3003 02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:40,870 can't this 3004 02:18:47,129 --> 02:18:44,290 one this one richard shook me 3005 02:18:48,750 --> 02:18:47,139 this one really shook me when you see 3006 02:18:51,870 --> 02:18:48,760 you know stuff with night vision all 3007 02:18:53,940 --> 02:18:51,880 night long night after night yeah you 3008 02:18:58,530 --> 02:18:53,950 know those expectations are there this 3009 02:19:00,750 --> 02:18:58,540 was singular I think what you were 3010 02:19:02,010 --> 02:19:00,760 asking earlier on if I'm not mistaken is 3011 02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:02,020 what was this was this an 3012 02:19:06,419 --> 02:19:03,370 extraterrestrial thing or something 3013 02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:06,429 different right and I wouldn't pretend 3014 02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:08,650 that I know the answer to that but it 3015 02:19:15,510 --> 02:19:12,250 sounds like it was some kind of 3016 02:19:16,830 --> 02:19:15,520 technology I would I mean I would hazard 3017 02:19:18,750 --> 02:19:16,840 to guess that it seemed like it's 3018 02:19:21,330 --> 02:19:18,760 someone's technology would you agree 3019 02:19:25,140 --> 02:19:21,340 yeah see this is this is what I find 3020 02:19:27,450 --> 02:19:25,150 interesting is we all have our images 3021 02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:27,460 you know Hollywood comes into play of 3022 02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:30,250 what these objects are supposed to be 3023 02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:34,090 well if we find out eventually what's 3024 02:19:38,700 --> 02:19:35,650 really going on we're gonna find out 3025 02:19:41,790 --> 02:19:38,710 that we've all been wrong and you know 3026 02:19:46,590 --> 02:19:41,800 what I mean and this object doesn't fit 3027 02:19:48,060 --> 02:19:46,600 into anything that I have either seen or 3028 02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:48,070 have been told about from other 3029 02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:50,950 witnesses it doesn't really for purposes 3030 02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:53,110 of Transportation you know we tend to 3031 02:19:58,470 --> 02:19:55,120 think of UFOs as oh they're carrying 3032 02:20:01,200 --> 02:19:58,480 people writings from point A to point B 3033 02:20:02,761 --> 02:20:01,210 but that's you know very likely not not 3034 02:20:06,091 --> 02:20:02,771 the case with a lot of them or all of 3035 02:20:08,730 --> 02:20:06,101 them they may have other purposes and it 3036 02:20:10,740 --> 02:20:08,740 may not be to carry any life-form on it 3037 02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:10,750 at all it could be instrumentation it 3038 02:20:14,400 --> 02:20:12,160 could be measuring it could it could be 3039 02:20:17,370 --> 02:20:14,410 it could be a weapon or it could be 3040 02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:17,380 something else that we haven't even 3041 02:20:23,070 --> 02:20:20,160 thought about so there's a lot of 3042 02:20:26,700 --> 02:20:23,080 configurations I would imagine that an 3043 02:20:28,620 --> 02:20:26,710 aerial object could be of that would be 3044 02:20:30,330 --> 02:20:28,630 useful for whatever purposes that 3045 02:20:33,420 --> 02:20:30,340 someone's developing and it isn't 3046 02:20:37,070 --> 02:20:33,430 necessarily to transport beings from 3047 02:20:39,420 --> 02:20:37,080 from point A to point B so I don't know 3048 02:20:41,400 --> 02:20:39,430 I'd like to know what that was it's 3049 02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:41,410 quite interesting before I let you go 3050 02:20:45,091 --> 02:20:43,330 there's two things I want to get out of 3051 02:20:48,420 --> 02:20:45,101 the way the space force 3052 02:20:50,940 --> 02:20:48,430 you know announced by Donald Trump Rita 3053 02:20:52,650 --> 02:20:50,950 just posted up a tweet out from the 3054 02:20:54,270 --> 02:20:52,660 United States space force I don't know 3055 02:20:58,280 --> 02:20:54,280 if you have seen this 3056 02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:58,290 it says define the Great Awakening and 3057 02:21:04,470 --> 02:21:00,880 it's pretty interesting it's it now I 3058 02:21:06,450 --> 02:21:04,480 don't know if this is a a real Twitter 3059 02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:06,460 account it certainly looked so fishel 3060 02:21:11,370 --> 02:21:08,110 although it doesn't have the verified 3061 02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:11,380 check mark but what did you think about 3062 02:21:18,030 --> 02:21:14,650 the space force announcement from Trump 3063 02:21:19,801 --> 02:21:18,040 I think it's in retrospect it was an 3064 02:21:21,211 --> 02:21:19,811 inevitability it could have been 3065 02:21:22,980 --> 02:21:21,221 something that might have been announced 3066 02:21:24,930 --> 02:21:22,990 under President Obama but he just he 3067 02:21:27,180 --> 02:21:24,940 didn't but it's certainly something he 3068 02:21:31,020 --> 02:21:27,190 could have done I mean the US military 3069 02:21:32,610 --> 02:21:31,030 has been moving toward I think this type 3070 02:21:34,200 --> 02:21:32,620 of a thing for a long time and the 3071 02:21:36,091 --> 02:21:34,210 biggest obstacle you have is that the 3072 02:21:38,700 --> 02:21:36,101 various services a Navy and the Air 3073 02:21:40,110 --> 02:21:38,710 Force and even the army all have their 3074 02:21:42,631 --> 02:21:40,120 presence in space and they want to 3075 02:21:44,700 --> 02:21:42,641 maintain it but if you're going to be 3076 02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:44,710 the dog that's gotta pee on everyone's 3077 02:21:48,600 --> 02:21:46,090 tree and that's the job of the United 3078 02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:48,610 States worldwide then you need to fully 3079 02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:51,130 dominate space and the fact is I mean 3080 02:21:56,040 --> 02:21:53,200 space in a sense is the center of 3081 02:21:57,961 --> 02:21:56,050 gravity militarily speaking you you 3082 02:21:59,790 --> 02:21:57,971 can't dominate other nations if you do 3083 02:22:02,461 --> 02:21:59,800 not dominate space as your major 3084 02:22:04,020 --> 02:22:02,471 platform and so I think it's an ultimate 3085 02:22:06,480 --> 02:22:04,030 inevitability that the United States 3086 02:22:10,171 --> 02:22:06,490 military will would probably move to 3087 02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:10,181 consolidate space as a department of 3088 02:22:14,850 --> 02:22:13,120 equal stature to the other services now 3089 02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:14,860 it's not a done deal by the way you know 3090 02:22:19,350 --> 02:22:17,920 you have everyone who wants to maintain 3091 02:22:20,970 --> 02:22:19,360 their military prerogatives and you've 3092 02:22:22,890 --> 02:22:20,980 got members of Congress who want to want 3093 02:22:24,570 --> 02:22:22,900 to fight on this but I I will guess that 3094 02:22:27,330 --> 02:22:24,580 it'll probably go through within a year 3095 02:22:31,051 --> 02:22:27,340 or two it'll happen but the other thing 3096 02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:31,061 to keep in mind is that you know for 3097 02:22:36,060 --> 02:22:32,410 those of us who believe in a secret 3098 02:22:40,051 --> 02:22:36,070 space program I'm one of those people I 3099 02:22:43,671 --> 02:22:40,061 will assume in fact I'm I would say 3100 02:22:45,540 --> 02:22:43,681 confidently that there are very advanced 3101 02:22:49,740 --> 02:22:45,550 developments that have been made in 3102 02:22:53,580 --> 02:22:49,750 space for a long time and so by having 3103 02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:53,590 an open space force or that's what he's 3104 02:22:58,980 --> 02:22:57,130 calling it space program it would be 3105 02:23:02,580 --> 02:22:58,990 very useful for it to serve as a screen 3106 02:23:06,660 --> 02:23:02,590 a for those covert activities and also 3107 02:23:07,551 --> 02:23:06,670 as a very good way to introduce exotic 3108 02:23:11,220 --> 02:23:07,561 tech as 3109 02:23:12,541 --> 02:23:11,230 becomes deemed like useful to kind of 3110 02:23:14,671 --> 02:23:12,551 introduce it to the world so in other 3111 02:23:17,490 --> 02:23:14,681 words you've got this very very advanced 3112 02:23:21,690 --> 02:23:17,500 stuff out there and over time it might 3113 02:23:23,131 --> 02:23:21,700 become useful to segue that to the 3114 02:23:24,661 --> 02:23:23,141 public world through something like a 3115 02:23:27,841 --> 02:23:24,671 space for us I could imagine that as 3116 02:23:30,270 --> 02:23:27,851 well so it would be useful for a couple 3117 02:23:34,081 --> 02:23:30,280 of reasons so it's not surprising I 3118 02:23:37,470 --> 02:23:34,091 think it was an inevitability do you did 3119 02:23:39,541 --> 02:23:37,480 you lean towards an ET connection 3120 02:23:42,301 --> 02:23:39,551 I mean combined with everything else 3121 02:23:44,041 --> 02:23:42,311 that has been going on with the UFO 3122 02:23:46,951 --> 02:23:44,051 community you know you know back to the 3123 02:23:50,341 --> 02:23:46,961 New York Times article the timing of 3124 02:23:53,780 --> 02:23:50,351 this seemed a little bit suspect Oh of 3125 02:23:56,490 --> 02:23:53,790 the announcement of the space force yes 3126 02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:56,500 yeah I mean actually I hadn't really 3127 02:24:00,421 --> 02:23:58,240 thought about this as in terms of timing 3128 02:24:02,430 --> 02:24:00,431 connecting it with the revelation of the 3129 02:24:05,581 --> 02:24:02,440 a tip program but it could have been I 3130 02:24:07,261 --> 02:24:05,591 mean I could imagine someone in the 3131 02:24:11,310 --> 02:24:07,271 Trump White House saying you know this 3132 02:24:13,140 --> 02:24:11,320 is coming out a little bit let's let's 3133 02:24:15,720 --> 02:24:13,150 take this opportunity now to push this 3134 02:24:18,661 --> 02:24:15,730 other this other military program this 3135 02:24:20,011 --> 02:24:18,671 other military wishlist item that we've 3136 02:24:23,430 --> 02:24:20,021 been wanting for a while which is to 3137 02:24:24,871 --> 02:24:23,440 create an open space force like I 3138 02:24:26,461 --> 02:24:24,881 suppose I could see that as a 3139 02:24:30,570 --> 02:24:26,471 possibility I don't know that that's 3140 02:24:32,820 --> 02:24:30,580 that was a factor but it's entirely 3141 02:24:34,711 --> 02:24:32,830 possible I mean look here's the thing we 3142 02:24:36,890 --> 02:24:34,721 have to I I assume I don't want to say 3143 02:24:39,060 --> 02:24:36,900 we have to assume but I do assume that 3144 02:24:42,091 --> 02:24:39,070 there is an extraterrestrial presence 3145 02:24:44,911 --> 02:24:42,101 here on this planet that is my governing 3146 02:24:48,421 --> 02:24:44,921 assumption and that they exist in space 3147 02:24:49,770 --> 02:24:48,431 and that they probably exist on other 3148 02:24:52,881 --> 02:24:49,780 satellites in this solar system 3149 02:24:56,131 --> 02:24:52,891 including the moon and probably Mars I 3150 02:24:58,501 --> 02:24:56,141 could see that easily I mean look the 3151 02:25:02,100 --> 02:24:58,511 ability to go under the ground on those 3152 02:25:04,171 --> 02:25:02,110 worlds exists the ability to create a 3153 02:25:06,900 --> 02:25:04,181 kind of secure environment for oneself 3154 02:25:08,430 --> 02:25:06,910 I believe we're just about at that point 3155 02:25:09,871 --> 02:25:08,440 we may be at that point now I think 3156 02:25:13,911 --> 02:25:09,881 someone else is probably at that point 3157 02:25:17,161 --> 02:25:13,921 too so so our national security 3158 02:25:19,860 --> 02:25:17,171 community are elements of our space 3159 02:25:21,090 --> 02:25:19,870 community they my assumption as they 3160 02:25:23,639 --> 02:25:21,100 know 3161 02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:23,649 that that's out there and so this this 3162 02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,890 phenomenon is the great you know not to 3163 02:25:30,540 --> 02:25:28,960 be discussed thing like never never 3164 02:25:33,479 --> 02:25:30,550 discuss it like pretend it doesn't exist 3165 02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:33,489 but everyone there knows it exists so 3166 02:25:39,929 --> 02:25:36,970 the creation of space force I would 3167 02:25:42,210 --> 02:25:39,939 strongly say would have a major 3168 02:25:44,580 --> 02:25:42,220 classified component to it that is 3169 02:25:46,740 --> 02:25:44,590 explicitly designed to deal with the 3170 02:25:49,050 --> 02:25:46,750 presence of nonhumans in our 3171 02:25:51,420 --> 02:25:49,060 neighborhood gotta believe them and the 3172 02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:51,430 there's another part it's like the 3173 02:25:56,729 --> 02:25:54,010 elephant in the room where the 3174 02:25:58,979 --> 02:25:56,739 announcement of the space force was just 3175 02:26:00,840 --> 02:25:58,989 the public side of it that this has been 3176 02:26:04,050 --> 02:26:00,850 going on for a long time and now they've 3177 02:26:06,059 --> 02:26:04,060 cleared the road for any revelations in 3178 02:26:08,340 --> 02:26:06,069 the future well now we have a space for 3179 02:26:11,179 --> 02:26:08,350 so now we can talk about this but it's 3180 02:26:13,769 --> 02:26:11,189 already been in place for four decades 3181 02:26:16,859 --> 02:26:13,779 yeah I think so I mean you know when you 3182 02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:16,869 roll out programs like this there's 3183 02:26:22,229 --> 02:26:18,880 there's certain conveniences that it 3184 02:26:24,540 --> 02:26:22,239 will provide you and you know that type 3185 02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:24,550 of thing is is definitely right up there 3186 02:26:31,679 --> 02:26:28,960 so if something is seen that is highly 3187 02:26:34,859 --> 02:26:31,689 anomalous increasingly we're getting to 3188 02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:34,869 a point in our world where authorities 3189 02:26:39,689 --> 02:26:37,090 might be able to roll out some kind of 3190 02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:39,699 quasi magical form of technology the 3191 02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:41,050 only the only limitation that they're 3192 02:26:46,439 --> 02:26:43,930 gonna have with that is rolling out 3193 02:26:49,170 --> 02:26:46,449 something that's so incredibly advanced 3194 02:26:53,969 --> 02:26:49,180 if they were to do that then that's a 3195 02:26:55,469 --> 02:26:53,979 signal to adversaries that you know at 3196 02:26:58,229 --> 02:26:55,479 least adversaries in the minds of the 3197 02:27:00,750 --> 02:26:58,239 Americans that this technology exists 3198 02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:00,760 and part of the power is not letting 3199 02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:02,890 someone else know that sensors such and 3200 02:27:09,090 --> 02:27:07,359 such technology does exist so you know I 3201 02:27:10,649 --> 02:27:09,100 would love to be a fly on the wall of 3202 02:27:13,080 --> 02:27:10,659 some of these national security 3203 02:27:14,910 --> 02:27:13,090 conversations that are relevant to the 3204 02:27:16,139 --> 02:27:14,920 UFO phenomenon and that deal with the 3205 02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:16,149 Americans and deal with the Russians 3206 02:27:19,700 --> 02:27:18,010 deal with the Chinese because you have 3207 02:27:23,309 --> 02:27:19,710 to know the Russians and Chinese are 3208 02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:23,319 fully apprised of everything important 3209 02:27:29,010 --> 02:27:26,080 that's going on b2b UFOs they've got to 3210 02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:29,020 be so there's this behind-the-scenes 3211 02:27:34,420 --> 02:27:33,040 infrastructure that where all of these 3212 02:27:37,719 --> 02:27:34,430 sides 3213 02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:37,729 are aware of this and I really want to 3214 02:27:44,530 --> 02:27:41,449 know the answer to the question is what 3215 02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:44,540 is the ultimate position that all of 3216 02:27:50,979 --> 02:27:47,210 these groups are having needs to be each 3217 02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:50,989 other and b2b these these UFOs because 3218 02:27:54,820 --> 02:27:52,489 that to me will take us 3219 02:27:57,189 --> 02:27:54,830 way farther down the geopolitical rabbit 3220 02:28:00,660 --> 02:27:57,199 hole than we are right now I sent you a 3221 02:28:03,550 --> 02:28:00,670 text in Skype to yes or no questions 3222 02:28:06,610 --> 02:28:03,560 give me a yes and a yes or no one to 3223 02:28:10,349 --> 02:28:06,620 know or a yes and a no or no I'm opening 3224 02:28:12,849 --> 02:28:10,359 it right now so I can look at it and oh 3225 02:28:14,380 --> 02:28:12,859 yeah sure we can go there so you want to 3226 02:28:19,059 --> 02:28:14,390 know if I'm still with Gaia TV and do I 3227 02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:19,069 want to go there the cats out of the bag 3228 02:28:23,500 --> 02:28:22,250 no listen I would have no problem 3229 02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:23,510 talking about any of these subjects 3230 02:28:27,610 --> 02:28:25,850 whatsoever so I did a TV show that I 3231 02:28:30,729 --> 02:28:27,620 wrote and hosted for guy about a year 3232 02:28:33,219 --> 02:28:30,739 ago would it aired on false flags and I 3233 02:28:35,530 --> 02:28:33,229 was very glad to do it I mean it was any 3234 02:28:37,179 --> 02:28:35,540 TV network and I'm actually I want to 3235 02:28:38,500 --> 02:28:37,189 say this because it was put out there on 3236 02:28:41,880 --> 02:28:38,510 YouTube and it was really not accurate 3237 02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:41,890 at all that someone claimed that I was 3238 02:28:47,679 --> 02:28:45,290 complaining that Gaia had censored me or 3239 02:28:49,689 --> 02:28:47,689 had done this or that and had prevented 3240 02:28:51,580 --> 02:28:49,699 me from saying everything that I wanted 3241 02:28:54,219 --> 02:28:51,590 to say on false flags and and that's 3242 02:28:56,410 --> 02:28:54,229 true and not true I mean with any kind 3243 02:28:59,920 --> 02:28:56,420 of network that anyone's gonna deal with 3244 02:29:01,900 --> 02:28:59,930 in the history of all of humankind you 3245 02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:01,910 have artists who go head-to-head with 3246 02:29:08,260 --> 02:29:04,970 corporations that's like so tell me 3247 02:29:10,330 --> 02:29:08,270 something I don't know right so but no I 3248 02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:10,340 mean overall I will say that Gaia 3249 02:29:17,710 --> 02:29:13,520 allowed me full scope to say what I 3250 02:29:20,349 --> 02:29:17,720 wanted to say on false flags you know my 3251 02:29:21,610 --> 02:29:20,359 primary message for that got out now am 3252 02:29:23,820 --> 02:29:21,620 I still with them well I haven't done 3253 02:29:25,719 --> 02:29:23,830 any work with them since that aired 3254 02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:25,729 would I work with them again 3255 02:29:30,610 --> 02:29:28,130 absolutely I would if the opportunity 3256 02:29:33,309 --> 02:29:30,620 were the right one if the subject matter 3257 02:29:35,860 --> 02:29:33,319 were appropriate for for what I want to 3258 02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:35,870 explore I had absolutely no problem 3259 02:29:40,950 --> 02:29:38,330 working with them I mean I laughs I mean 3260 02:29:43,150 --> 02:29:40,960 I laugh when I hear people talk about 3261 02:29:47,740 --> 02:29:43,160 Luciferian connections to guy I'm like 3262 02:29:50,110 --> 02:29:47,750 are you kidding me seriously seriously 3263 02:29:52,180 --> 02:29:50,120 I think it's it's a great disservice to 3264 02:29:54,341 --> 02:29:52,190 our community when people talk like this 3265 02:29:56,291 --> 02:29:54,351 I mean it's absolutely irresponsible and 3266 02:29:58,600 --> 02:29:56,301 also not true I've spent a lot of time 3267 02:30:01,480 --> 02:29:58,610 in the gaia studio and i will just tell 3268 02:30:03,791 --> 02:30:01,490 you I met pretty much all the producers 3269 02:30:06,131 --> 02:30:03,801 there I've met the owner I've met all 3270 02:30:09,400 --> 02:30:06,141 the people who work there they're a 3271 02:30:13,001 --> 02:30:09,410 company that has a great cafeteria by 3272 02:30:15,841 --> 02:30:13,011 the way I mean they're very like new-age 3273 02:30:19,001 --> 02:30:15,851 right so that's not really my 3274 02:30:20,700 --> 02:30:19,011 fundamental focus as a researcher but 3275 02:30:24,610 --> 02:30:20,710 it's what they do it's their market 3276 02:30:27,631 --> 02:30:24,620 Luciferian what an absolute ridiculous 3277 02:30:31,570 --> 02:30:27,641 joke I mean beyond a joke an 3278 02:30:34,301 --> 02:30:31,580 embarrassment an embarrassment so I've 3279 02:30:36,970 --> 02:30:34,311 just I mean I'm just 3280 02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:36,980 almost astonished honestly Jimmy when I 3281 02:30:40,751 --> 02:30:39,290 hear certain people talking like this 3282 02:30:43,770 --> 02:30:40,761 I'm like where do you get off saying 3283 02:30:48,390 --> 02:30:43,780 that where's your evidence of 3284 02:30:51,131 --> 02:30:48,400 electronics and the walls like seriously 3285 02:30:55,001 --> 02:30:51,141 no I'm talking about I do and that's 3286 02:30:55,511 --> 02:30:55,011 just sheer ravings and that's all that 3287 02:30:57,251 --> 02:30:55,521 it is 3288 02:30:58,511 --> 02:30:57,261 you're completely made I don't 3289 02:31:01,180 --> 02:30:58,521 understand why no one else is calling 3290 02:31:02,890 --> 02:31:01,190 this out by the way like I can't be the 3291 02:31:05,440 --> 02:31:02,900 only one right right 3292 02:31:09,720 --> 02:31:05,450 I cannot be the only one to call it for 3293 02:31:14,921 --> 02:31:09,730 what it is and and you know self-serving 3294 02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:14,931 motivations I mean just so lay bare for 3295 02:31:19,780 --> 02:31:17,570 anyone to see yeah yeah when I hear 3296 02:31:21,970 --> 02:31:19,790 comments about directed energy weapons 3297 02:31:24,910 --> 02:31:21,980 being easy I'm just like oh come on man 3298 02:31:28,331 --> 02:31:24,920 stop stop just like stop embarrassing 3299 02:31:32,770 --> 02:31:28,341 yourself and the rest of it well you 3300 02:31:34,120 --> 02:31:32,780 know they're I don't work for Gaia okay 3301 02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:34,130 I don't work for Gaia don't have a 3302 02:31:39,190 --> 02:31:36,080 showing guy I have not appeared on Gaia 3303 02:31:40,900 --> 02:31:39,200 I have not been to the guy right you 3304 02:31:43,480 --> 02:31:40,910 know I've never got a check from Gaia 3305 02:31:44,980 --> 02:31:43,490 okay fine I have they paid me they paid 3306 02:31:47,860 --> 02:31:44,990 me for my show and I have no problem 3307 02:31:51,041 --> 02:31:47,870 saying that yeah they were fine to work 3308 02:31:52,900 --> 02:31:51,051 with my producer Sid Goldberg I love him 3309 02:31:55,480 --> 02:31:52,910 he's a great he's a friend yeah and I 3310 02:31:58,091 --> 02:31:55,490 and I respects it cooled and a lot of 3311 02:32:00,610 --> 02:31:58,101 the other people there and you you can 3312 02:32:01,801 --> 02:32:00,620 agree or disagree with with the focus of 3313 02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:01,811 some of their show 3314 02:32:06,690 --> 02:32:04,450 fine they've Sean stone I mean I like 3315 02:32:08,220 --> 02:32:06,700 Sean stone he does good work they've had 3316 02:32:10,261 --> 02:32:08,230 other good people there yeah absolutely 3317 02:32:11,190 --> 02:32:10,271 listen if you don't like a show that's 3318 02:32:12,631 --> 02:32:11,200 on there that's like anything that 3319 02:32:14,161 --> 02:32:12,641 worked it like if you don't like a show 3320 02:32:16,831 --> 02:32:14,171 this on Netflix do you therefore say 3321 02:32:19,801 --> 02:32:16,841 Netflix sucks yeah I mean how ridiculous 3322 02:32:21,661 --> 02:32:19,811 right watch a different show well you 3323 02:32:24,180 --> 02:32:21,671 know when I look at the talent that is 3324 02:32:26,121 --> 02:32:24,190 over there I'm not going to go down the 3325 02:32:29,161 --> 02:32:26,131 list of names but I certainly have a 3326 02:32:32,041 --> 02:32:29,171 relationship with with all of the talent 3327 02:32:37,081 --> 02:32:32,051 over at guy that goes without saying I 3328 02:32:40,201 --> 02:32:37,091 have not had one one person at guy go 3329 02:32:42,810 --> 02:32:40,211 dude man you won't believe what we did 3330 02:32:44,911 --> 02:32:42,820 last night we did this Luciferian Sarah 3331 02:32:47,011 --> 02:32:44,921 was not in the party in LA I'll just say 3332 02:32:48,570 --> 02:32:47,021 this and maybe they'll after hearing 3333 02:32:49,051 --> 02:32:48,580 this a bit Lego and I kind of Dolan back 3334 02:32:50,970 --> 02:32:49,061 anymore 3335 02:32:54,480 --> 02:32:50,980 but if they've dad shows on that I think 3336 02:32:56,551 --> 02:32:54,490 we're just really I mean I'm not gonna 3337 02:32:58,411 --> 02:32:56,561 go down into specifics but they've had 3338 02:33:01,051 --> 02:32:58,421 shows on there that I have taken very 3339 02:33:02,491 --> 02:33:01,061 strong exception to sure and you know 3340 02:33:05,881 --> 02:33:02,501 this and probably anyone who can read 3341 02:33:09,031 --> 02:33:05,891 between the lines noses but but so what 3342 02:33:10,621 --> 02:33:09,041 like that's their right they have a 3343 02:33:13,860 --> 02:33:10,631 right to put out what they want and 3344 02:33:15,860 --> 02:33:13,870 others have a right to say I call BS on 3345 02:33:24,180 --> 02:33:15,870 that or whatever they want to say yes 3346 02:33:25,951 --> 02:33:24,190 but Luciferian sorry no the line no one 3347 02:33:28,531 --> 02:33:25,961 wants to hear you I mean seriously like 3348 02:33:34,470 --> 02:33:28,541 that's just an embarrassment and it's 3349 02:33:37,470 --> 02:33:34,480 yeah yeah so almost at the point like 3350 02:33:40,230 --> 02:33:37,480 where our community it's like our whole 3351 02:33:42,631 --> 02:33:40,240 society like you can just see it unravel 3352 02:33:45,991 --> 02:33:42,641 right before your eyes it's happening 3353 02:33:48,631 --> 02:33:46,001 man and I don't mean to be down down on 3354 02:33:50,970 --> 02:33:48,641 this but it is unraveling we have it 3355 02:33:53,070 --> 02:33:50,980 society that is tearing itself apart 3356 02:33:55,381 --> 02:33:53,080 between the so-called left and so-called 3357 02:33:57,631 --> 02:33:55,391 right and they're just demonizing each 3358 02:34:00,091 --> 02:33:57,641 other and it's almost like a new version 3359 02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:00,101 of the Salem witch trial so and so said 3360 02:34:04,470 --> 02:34:02,410 this ten years ago they're evil get rid 3361 02:34:06,091 --> 02:34:04,480 of them so and so's a fascist there are 3362 02:34:09,621 --> 02:34:06,101 white supremacist they're horrible 3363 02:34:12,180 --> 02:34:09,631 they're like accusations are flying 3364 02:34:14,551 --> 02:34:12,190 everywhere without evidence in many 3365 02:34:15,580 --> 02:34:14,561 cases anyway right right and we see it 3366 02:34:18,190 --> 02:34:15,590 in our own community 3367 02:34:20,620 --> 02:34:18,200 where it's almost like a new version of 3368 02:34:23,349 --> 02:34:20,630 a Salem witch trial like you see these 3369 02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:23,359 people they want it to happen they want 3370 02:34:30,490 --> 02:34:26,720 to just rip us to pieces with unfounded 3371 02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:30,500 accusations and I'm just saying stop 3372 02:34:35,290 --> 02:34:33,200 stop it right now you want to accuse 3373 02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:35,300 someone of something then you provide 3374 02:34:41,230 --> 02:34:38,090 evidence like do it the right way 3375 02:34:43,900 --> 02:34:41,240 do it the way responsible adults should 3376 02:34:45,429 --> 02:34:43,910 do it and you provide evidence so that 3377 02:34:47,650 --> 02:34:45,439 the rest of us can examine it like 3378 02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:47,660 anything else in this world that's right 3379 02:34:56,500 --> 02:34:53,120 call the police call the police 3380 02:35:00,750 --> 02:34:56,510 you know right and I'm not I'm not in 3381 02:35:03,639 --> 02:35:00,760 any way kidding around here if I had a 3382 02:35:07,150 --> 02:35:03,649 directed-energy weapon pointed at me by 3383 02:35:12,190 --> 02:35:07,160 a Luciferian Satanist cult and I had 3384 02:35:15,490 --> 02:35:12,200 proof of that I'm on the phone I'm 3385 02:35:18,010 --> 02:35:15,500 turning somebody in I'm making sure that 3386 02:35:20,469 --> 02:35:18,020 somebody is prosecuted and it that the 3387 02:35:22,990 --> 02:35:20,479 whole thing is exposed and that's the 3388 02:35:26,679 --> 02:35:23,000 end of it and if you can't do that you 3389 02:35:29,560 --> 02:35:26,689 know please just go away go away it's 3390 02:35:32,520 --> 02:35:29,570 just too much it's too much and I mean 3391 02:35:35,800 --> 02:35:32,530 people just need to get a grip here and 3392 02:35:38,740 --> 02:35:35,810 I you know it's not that there aren't 3393 02:35:40,690 --> 02:35:38,750 evil people who are at the top of our 3394 02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,700 little hierarchical pyramid food chain 3395 02:35:44,650 --> 02:35:43,040 here and on planet earth and and human 3396 02:35:46,660 --> 02:35:44,660 civilization I think that there is a lot 3397 02:35:48,910 --> 02:35:46,670 of bad people up there and there could 3398 02:35:51,340 --> 02:35:48,920 very well be a cabal at the top that's 3399 02:35:53,800 --> 02:35:51,350 actually evil and maybe they worship 3400 02:35:55,750 --> 02:35:53,810 black magic I don't know I mean you Alex 3401 02:35:57,610 --> 02:35:55,760 Jones broke into Bohemian Grove 20 years 3402 02:36:00,719 --> 02:35:57,620 ago with his camera and they were doing 3403 02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:00,729 some very bizarre stuff there indeed and 3404 02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:03,050 would I say that the Rockefellers are 3405 02:36:05,620 --> 02:36:04,370 the Rothschilds or any of these others 3406 02:36:09,460 --> 02:36:05,630 aren't involved in that right they could 3407 02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:09,470 very well be and and maybe more it's 3408 02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:11,930 possible Bilderberg meetings these are 3409 02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:14,330 not these are not good people in my 3410 02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:16,399 opinion that are trying to run our world 3411 02:36:22,090 --> 02:36:19,550 having said that it's almost as if 3412 02:36:23,650 --> 02:36:22,100 you've got people in our community who 3413 02:36:27,171 --> 02:36:23,660 are like going back to the Salem witch 3414 02:36:30,470 --> 02:36:27,181 trial mentality and accusing someone 3415 02:36:32,690 --> 02:36:30,480 of an you know like that's a witch burn 3416 02:36:36,410 --> 02:36:32,700 the witch like we're getting to that 3417 02:36:38,871 --> 02:36:36,420 point here and and we really need to 3418 02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:38,881 like check ourselves here and just say 3419 02:36:43,970 --> 02:36:41,610 we're gonna be evidence-based with what 3420 02:36:46,970 --> 02:36:43,980 we have to say and stop throwing stuff 3421 02:36:47,480 --> 02:36:46,980 around because it's not helping it's not 3422 02:36:50,230 --> 02:36:47,490 helping 3423 02:36:52,910 --> 02:36:50,240 have you seen strange angel by the way 3424 02:36:55,791 --> 02:36:52,920 have I seen what I'm sorry strange angel 3425 02:36:58,160 --> 02:36:55,801 the TV series no I don't believe so 3426 02:37:02,150 --> 02:36:58,170 it's about Parsons and JPL and the 3427 02:37:07,631 --> 02:37:02,160 founding of JPL Wow and his connections 3428 02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:07,641 to oh he was this hardcore occultist 3429 02:37:14,961 --> 02:37:12,000 aleister crowley and l ron Hubbard very 3430 02:37:17,331 --> 02:37:14,971 much as oh yes you need to go it's it's 3431 02:37:21,740 --> 02:37:17,341 it's produced by Ridley Scott right and 3432 02:37:24,171 --> 02:37:21,750 it's on CBS it's it's an absolute must 3433 02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:24,181 see oh I'm going to watch that hate is 3434 02:37:32,450 --> 02:37:28,410 there's there's definitely I don't want 3435 02:37:36,051 --> 02:37:32,460 to minimize a influence of dark 3436 02:37:39,171 --> 02:37:36,061 magicians in our world or like a 3437 02:37:42,220 --> 02:37:39,181 pedophile network in our world or all of 3438 02:37:44,450 --> 02:37:42,230 these other like there's been a lot of 3439 02:37:46,011 --> 02:37:44,460 serious accusations that have come out 3440 02:37:46,520 --> 02:37:46,021 and some of them are really based in 3441 02:37:49,160 --> 02:37:46,530 reality 3442 02:37:51,051 --> 02:37:49,170 yes so that's and we need to pay 3443 02:37:54,470 --> 02:37:51,061 attention to that I'm just saying 3444 02:37:55,640 --> 02:37:54,480 relating to Gaia look you've got you've 3445 02:37:57,980 --> 02:37:55,650 got certain people who don't like the 3446 02:38:00,381 --> 02:37:57,990 fact that they're new-age I'm not really 3447 02:38:01,910 --> 02:38:00,391 crazy about a lot of New Age programming 3448 02:38:04,791 --> 02:38:01,920 myself but that doesn't mean I think 3449 02:38:06,650 --> 02:38:04,801 it's Luciferian and it's not just one 3450 02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:06,660 person who's made these applications one 3451 02:38:10,761 --> 02:38:08,730 of the big people who just left Gaia has 3452 02:38:14,301 --> 02:38:10,771 made the accusation and I'm like come on 3453 02:38:17,121 --> 02:38:14,311 you gotta just this is not true you work 3454 02:38:20,121 --> 02:38:17,131 there for six years and you're gonna 3455 02:38:23,871 --> 02:38:20,131 tell me you only now discovered that 3456 02:38:27,950 --> 02:38:23,881 they're Luciferian this is this is just 3457 02:38:29,690 --> 02:38:27,960 not not right okay so I'm just saying it 3458 02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:29,700 for what it is are you there yeah I'm 3459 02:38:34,280 --> 02:38:32,370 just wondering when you don't dead 3460 02:38:36,830 --> 02:38:34,290 silent wondering what's he gonna say 3461 02:38:38,330 --> 02:38:36,840 then I'm just like man okay 3462 02:38:42,110 --> 02:38:38,340 okay I'm gonna have to deal with this 3463 02:38:45,860 --> 02:38:42,120 tomorrow and as far as I'm gonna go 3464 02:38:47,389 --> 02:38:45,870 tonight what there's nothing like going 3465 02:38:49,880 --> 02:38:47,399 to the edge of the cliff and taking a 3466 02:38:51,620 --> 02:38:49,890 peek with Richard oh look I mean if it 3467 02:38:53,870 --> 02:38:51,630 turns out that I go further I'll go 3468 02:38:55,639 --> 02:38:53,880 further but the thing is like I'm not 3469 02:38:58,340 --> 02:38:55,649 interested in having a war with 3470 02:39:00,020 --> 02:38:58,350 individual people like I've got other 3471 02:39:03,380 --> 02:39:00,030 things to do I've got research I've got 3472 02:39:05,420 --> 02:39:03,390 genuine things to do that are actually 3473 02:39:08,060 --> 02:39:05,430 important rather than drama-queen stuff 3474 02:39:09,860 --> 02:39:08,070 that's make-believe that seems to 3475 02:39:11,870 --> 02:39:09,870 dominate so much of our culture and it 3476 02:39:13,730 --> 02:39:11,880 really is drama queens eye accusations 3477 02:39:16,790 --> 02:39:13,740 you ever have a friend in high school 3478 02:39:18,950 --> 02:39:16,800 who was like just drama followed them 3479 02:39:21,530 --> 02:39:18,960 wherever they went and it was 3480 02:39:22,820 --> 02:39:21,540 entertaining at first but then after a 3481 02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:22,830 while you're like you know I'm kind of 3482 02:39:26,450 --> 02:39:24,450 thinking there's a little too much drama 3483 02:39:28,219 --> 02:39:26,460 here I think I'm gonna like not be their 3484 02:39:30,320 --> 02:39:28,229 friend that's right there's a lot of 3485 02:39:32,870 --> 02:39:30,330 that in this field and so when you've 3486 02:39:34,910 --> 02:39:32,880 got someone where drama is always 3487 02:39:37,219 --> 02:39:34,920 following them maybe we should just ask 3488 02:39:40,670 --> 02:39:37,229 ourselves what's really going on here 3489 02:39:45,380 --> 02:39:40,680 because I'm always following that person 3490 02:39:48,020 --> 02:39:45,390 singular yes like I said I I know all of 3491 02:39:49,639 --> 02:39:48,030 the talent I know so many of the 3492 02:39:53,599 --> 02:39:49,649 employees over a guy I've never had 3493 02:39:56,570 --> 02:39:53,609 anybody anybody say anything you know 3494 02:39:59,360 --> 02:39:56,580 crazy like that not even once you know 3495 02:40:00,730 --> 02:39:59,370 and and there are some reputations on 3496 02:40:03,410 --> 02:40:00,740 the line here where they wouldn't be 3497 02:40:05,660 --> 02:40:03,420 associated if this kind of stuff was 3498 02:40:09,380 --> 02:40:05,670 going on it's quite simple you yourself 3499 02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:09,390 said no problems working with him like I 3500 02:40:13,639 --> 02:40:11,040 mean I'm just gonna say it I work with 3501 02:40:16,070 --> 02:40:13,649 them it was a positive experience I 3502 02:40:16,969 --> 02:40:16,080 would have liked I mean there's always 3503 02:40:19,910 --> 02:40:16,979 things that I would have liked 3504 02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:19,920 differently okay but that's not because 3505 02:40:23,450 --> 02:40:21,600 I think that they're bad or evil or 3506 02:40:25,460 --> 02:40:23,460 whatever it's just sometimes there are 3507 02:40:29,320 --> 02:40:25,470 differences of opinion I mean Gaia was 3508 02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:29,330 in the crosshairs of the whole 3509 02:40:34,820 --> 02:40:32,130 nonsensical fake news accusations at the 3510 02:40:36,889 --> 02:40:34,830 Washington Post one of the truly 3511 02:40:38,360 --> 02:40:36,899 reprehensible organizations in this 3512 02:40:41,780 --> 02:40:38,370 country by the way the Washington Post 3513 02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:41,790 was throwing out accusations that all 3514 02:40:46,940 --> 02:40:44,130 these groups were Russian propaganda you 3515 02:40:50,650 --> 02:40:46,950 remember that nonsense and one of them 3516 02:40:53,170 --> 02:40:50,660 was Gaia it's like no sorry that's a fan 3517 02:40:57,250 --> 02:40:53,180 alright they're not Russian propaganda 3518 02:40:59,200 --> 02:40:57,260 that's complete BS but but it's you know 3519 02:41:02,170 --> 02:40:59,210 when you're an organization and you know 3520 02:41:05,889 --> 02:41:02,180 you're in the crosshairs of these neocon 3521 02:41:09,280 --> 02:41:05,899 neoliberal globalist truly evil people 3522 02:41:12,130 --> 02:41:09,290 and what they are trying to do is to 3523 02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:12,140 create a monoculture oh they are all 3524 02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:13,520 right why do you think there's all of 3525 02:41:20,500 --> 02:41:16,640 this insanity over Russia these days I 3526 02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:20,510 mean this country has lost its mind over 3527 02:41:24,700 --> 02:41:22,490 Russia not the whole country just the 3528 02:41:26,650 --> 02:41:24,710 establishment so they look at groups 3529 02:41:28,210 --> 02:41:26,660 like Gaia they look at groups people 3530 02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:28,220 like Alex Jones they look at people 3531 02:41:34,300 --> 02:41:30,800 anyone who's like not in this little 3532 02:41:37,290 --> 02:41:34,310 neoliberal neoconservative movement and 3533 02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:37,300 they put them in their crosshairs and so 3534 02:41:41,740 --> 02:41:39,530 most of these organizations they're 3535 02:41:45,730 --> 02:41:41,750 going to be scared they don't want to 3536 02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:45,740 have controversial political stuff and 3537 02:41:50,500 --> 02:41:48,410 like for me doing false flags that I was 3538 02:41:53,350 --> 02:41:50,510 taking them right to the edge of their 3539 02:41:56,320 --> 02:41:53,360 comfort zone okay and I understand that 3540 02:42:01,990 --> 02:41:56,330 I do understand that that's not their 3541 02:42:05,260 --> 02:42:02,000 fault so that's just how that's just how 3542 02:42:09,929 --> 02:42:05,270 it is that's the world you know we're in 3543 02:42:13,360 --> 02:42:09,939 a situation where the real enemy isn't 3544 02:42:16,740 --> 02:42:13,370 Luciferian people in Gaia or any any of 3545 02:42:18,910 --> 02:42:16,750 these media companies the enemy is a 3546 02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:18,920 consolidated power elite within the 3547 02:42:25,870 --> 02:42:23,410 United States and globally that is 3548 02:42:29,650 --> 02:42:25,880 causing certain agendas to happen and 3549 02:42:30,940 --> 02:42:29,660 it's a you know that's the problem I 3550 02:42:34,450 --> 02:42:30,950 mean we're that's not what we were 3551 02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:34,460 talking about tonight but man we've got 3552 02:42:40,060 --> 02:42:37,610 our work cut out for us and it's not all 3553 02:42:41,620 --> 02:42:40,070 like oh is it you know the Democrats or 3554 02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:41,630 the Republicans please can we stop 3555 02:42:47,260 --> 02:42:45,050 having that conversation is it like oh 3556 02:42:48,700 --> 02:42:47,270 if we only elect a Democrat then things 3557 02:42:51,790 --> 02:42:48,710 will be better or if we only let a 3558 02:42:54,010 --> 02:42:51,800 different Republican or if you know 3559 02:42:56,380 --> 02:42:54,020 whatever like that's never going to 3560 02:42:57,969 --> 02:42:56,390 solve the problem we have a broken 3561 02:43:02,350 --> 02:42:57,979 two-party system and it's broken because 3562 02:43:03,500 --> 02:43:02,360 you have a very small powerful financial 3563 02:43:06,559 --> 02:43:03,510 elite 3564 02:43:08,750 --> 02:43:06,569 running it they are right now attempting 3565 02:43:11,660 --> 02:43:08,760 to consolidate all global media and 3566 02:43:14,210 --> 02:43:11,670 they're doing it you don't think they're 3567 02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:14,220 not they are making strides and they are 3568 02:43:18,500 --> 02:43:16,319 increasingly gonna push independent 3569 02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:18,510 people like ourselves to every extent 3570 02:43:22,250 --> 02:43:20,880 possible over to those fringes more and 3571 02:43:24,590 --> 02:43:22,260 more and more and they're going to deep 3572 02:43:26,750 --> 02:43:24,600 LAT for more and more people more and 3573 02:43:28,969 --> 02:43:26,760 more organizations on the left and on 3574 02:43:33,700 --> 02:43:28,979 the right and we're seeing it happen 3575 02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:33,710 right now and so that's that's the enemy 3576 02:43:37,639 --> 02:43:36,000 those are the people that we have to 3577 02:43:40,639 --> 02:43:37,649 watch out for those people who would 3578 02:43:42,410 --> 02:43:40,649 limit our ability to have open honest 3579 02:43:43,910 --> 02:43:42,420 conversations with each other and by the 3580 02:43:45,469 --> 02:43:43,920 way to have the right to offend other 3581 02:43:47,929 --> 02:43:45,479 people too because that's a very 3582 02:43:49,490 --> 02:43:47,939 important right to freedom of speech is 3583 02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:49,500 the right to offend that's right you 3584 02:43:52,940 --> 02:43:50,640 don't have to wait then you've lost 3585 02:43:55,300 --> 02:43:52,950 freedom of speech so those are the 3586 02:43:57,800 --> 02:43:55,310 things I'm worried about and with Gaia 3587 02:43:59,389 --> 02:43:57,810 I'm glad you asked and I'm glad you gave 3588 02:44:01,790 --> 02:43:59,399 me the opportunity to talk a little bit 3589 02:44:03,860 --> 02:44:01,800 about this and I'm not you know I'm not 3590 02:44:06,769 --> 02:44:03,870 on their payroll I'm not working for 3591 02:44:08,780 --> 02:44:06,779 them I did do a show there I'm glad I 3592 02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:08,790 did a show there and I would do another 3593 02:44:12,650 --> 02:44:11,279 one again under the right opportunity 3594 02:44:13,700 --> 02:44:12,660 and only under the right opportunity but 3595 02:44:16,400 --> 02:44:13,710 sure I would consider it 3596 02:44:18,349 --> 02:44:16,410 you know what no problem I want to go 3597 02:44:21,790 --> 02:44:18,359 back and comment on what you just said 3598 02:44:25,490 --> 02:44:21,800 because not only are they consolidating 3599 02:44:28,969 --> 02:44:25,500 our news sources and the outlets for 3600 02:44:31,160 --> 02:44:28,979 providing as said news which today's is 3601 02:44:34,099 --> 02:44:31,170 more about opinions you know we don't 3602 02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:34,109 get headlines anymore we get it is truly 3603 02:44:37,610 --> 02:44:36,210 fake news and it's unfortunate that the 3604 02:44:40,190 --> 02:44:37,620 word fake news has become so politicized 3605 02:44:42,110 --> 02:44:40,200 but again I mentioned operation 3606 02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:42,120 Mockingbird much earlier and is this 3607 02:44:48,500 --> 02:44:46,080 program that's literal fake news created 3608 02:44:52,370 --> 02:44:48,510 by CIA for decades and it hasn't stopped 3609 02:44:58,670 --> 02:44:52,380 anyway go on well in that you can't turn 3610 02:45:01,400 --> 02:44:58,680 around and say that all of things are 3611 02:45:04,820 --> 02:45:01,410 fake or not trustworthy and then turn 3612 02:45:07,070 --> 02:45:04,830 around and and say about the very same 3613 02:45:08,179 --> 02:45:07,080 news organizations and it doesn't matter 3614 02:45:11,030 --> 02:45:08,189 who this is I'm talking about 3615 02:45:14,840 --> 02:45:11,040 individuals it's Washington too but it's 3616 02:45:16,150 --> 02:45:14,850 down to actual individual citizens that 3617 02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:16,160 are saying this 3618 02:45:21,131 --> 02:45:19,010 okay well that part of the New York 3619 02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:21,141 Times is accurate but you can't trust 3620 02:45:26,650 --> 02:45:24,650 the rest of it or that part of Fox or 3621 02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:26,660 that part of seeing are this part of BBC 3622 02:45:32,551 --> 02:45:28,610 you know well that's not how it works I 3623 02:45:36,131 --> 02:45:32,561 know but that but that is that is now 3624 02:45:38,261 --> 02:45:36,141 become the norm and somehow the way it 3625 02:45:40,690 --> 02:45:38,271 has always been so the New York Times 3626 02:45:43,710 --> 02:45:40,700 will do a story let's say they want to 3627 02:45:45,490 --> 02:45:43,720 do a story on some local person and some 3628 02:45:47,170 --> 02:45:45,500 interesting who has an interesting 3629 02:45:49,060 --> 02:45:47,180 biography in some city in the United 3630 02:45:50,530 --> 02:45:49,070 States like I can it i can assume like 3631 02:45:52,030 --> 02:45:50,540 I'll read the New York Times and I will 3632 02:45:54,700 --> 02:45:52,040 assume that that's accurate mmm like 3633 02:45:56,290 --> 02:45:54,710 that's accurate if the New York Times is 3634 02:45:57,640 --> 02:45:56,300 reporting on how the New York Mets did 3635 02:46:00,011 --> 02:45:57,650 last night I'm going to assume that's 3636 02:46:03,220 --> 02:46:00,021 accurate if they're reporting on a whole 3637 02:46:04,810 --> 02:46:03,230 array of things that really are not of 3638 02:46:06,761 --> 02:46:04,820 critical importance I will assume that 3639 02:46:08,500 --> 02:46:06,771 that's accurate if they are reporting on 3640 02:46:13,060 --> 02:46:08,510 weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I 3641 02:46:15,580 --> 02:46:13,070 know that's a lie if they're reporting 3642 02:46:18,011 --> 02:46:15,590 on UFOs I know that won't be accurate if 3643 02:46:19,350 --> 02:46:18,021 they're reporting on because really what 3644 02:46:21,970 --> 02:46:19,360 you do when you read the New York Times 3645 02:46:23,350 --> 02:46:21,980 their whole national security all their 3646 02:46:26,620 --> 02:46:23,360 coverage just feel like it's written for 3647 02:46:28,631 --> 02:46:26,630 six-year-olds like in other words the 3648 02:46:29,560 --> 02:46:28,641 United States promotes democracy I just 3649 02:46:32,350 --> 02:46:29,570 read this in the New York Times 3650 02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:32,360 yesterday one of their articles all 3651 02:46:35,910 --> 02:46:33,680 about the United States promoting 3652 02:46:39,341 --> 02:46:35,920 democracy I'm like are you kidding me 3653 02:46:44,261 --> 02:46:39,351 seriously the New York Times is hoisting 3654 02:46:48,460 --> 02:46:44,271 this this fantasy on people to this day 3655 02:46:50,591 --> 02:46:48,470 so when we look at their spin that's 3656 02:46:52,650 --> 02:46:50,601 what we have to look at like sure they 3657 02:46:54,670 --> 02:46:52,660 can be accurate about a lot of things 3658 02:46:57,011 --> 02:46:54,680 Washington Post did oh they can be 3659 02:46:59,470 --> 02:46:57,021 accurate about a lot of specifics but 3660 02:47:02,710 --> 02:46:59,480 when you're getting into the key things 3661 02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:02,720 that matter all right they're reporting 3662 02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:04,730 on what was going on in Crimea 3663 02:47:13,180 --> 02:47:08,720 sorry no wrong fell they're reporting on 3664 02:47:15,670 --> 02:47:13,190 Syria big no all right so so on things 3665 02:47:17,560 --> 02:47:15,680 that intersect with the United States 3666 02:47:19,690 --> 02:47:17,570 intelligence and national security 3667 02:47:21,790 --> 02:47:19,700 community know the New York Times has 3668 02:47:25,480 --> 02:47:21,800 the worst track record in the world they 3669 02:47:28,480 --> 02:47:25,490 are the they are the Pravda of the 3670 02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:28,490 modern 21st century America you know 3671 02:47:32,320 --> 02:47:30,050 Pravda being the old 3672 02:47:34,179 --> 02:47:32,330 the propaganda mouthpiece for years and 3673 02:47:36,639 --> 02:47:34,189 years that's what the New York Times 3674 02:47:39,219 --> 02:47:36,649 serves as and and also I'm just gonna 3675 02:47:41,380 --> 02:47:39,229 say CNN which you know Donald Trump's at 3676 02:47:43,630 --> 02:47:41,390 war with CNN but that's the fact CNN is 3677 02:47:47,969 --> 02:47:43,640 that mouthpiece for the CIA of course 3678 02:47:49,090 --> 02:47:47,979 they are as is NBC as is Fox as they are 3679 02:47:50,590 --> 02:47:49,100 establishment 3680 02:47:52,030 --> 02:47:50,600 now there's factions within that 3681 02:47:53,710 --> 02:47:52,040 establishment so you have Fox which is 3682 02:47:56,400 --> 02:47:53,720 very supportive of Trump for the most 3683 02:48:00,730 --> 02:47:56,410 part and the others which are not but 3684 02:48:04,450 --> 02:48:00,740 make no mistake CNN lied every bit as 3685 02:48:06,820 --> 02:48:04,460 much on Iraq and on Syria as any of the 3686 02:48:09,639 --> 02:48:06,830 others they're all doing the same work 3687 02:48:11,500 --> 02:48:09,649 and it's all for national security 3688 02:48:14,770 --> 02:48:11,510 military intelligence community complex 3689 02:48:17,440 --> 02:48:14,780 that demands adversarial relationship 3690 02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:17,450 with Russia god forbid any American 3691 02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:19,520 politician say maybe we should try to be 3692 02:48:24,910 --> 02:48:21,770 a better relationship with Russia like 3693 02:48:26,260 --> 02:48:24,920 God forbid like suddenly that became 3694 02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:26,270 like the worst thing in the world to say 3695 02:48:31,570 --> 02:48:30,770 anyway I digress Richard thank you so 3696 02:48:34,690 --> 02:48:31,580 much man 3697 02:48:36,760 --> 02:48:34,700 thanks so much now I I'm not gonna ask 3698 02:48:39,460 --> 02:48:36,770 you when the book is coming out because 3699 02:48:41,500 --> 02:48:39,470 when the book does come out you'll be on 3700 02:48:43,599 --> 02:48:41,510 this program and we will announce it 3701 02:48:45,520 --> 02:48:43,609 then well thank you that you're talking 3702 02:48:47,139 --> 02:48:45,530 about my false flag book and you were 3703 02:48:51,790 --> 02:48:47,149 very gracious in waiting this long to 3704 02:48:53,290 --> 02:48:51,800 ask so I appreciate that I've got a lot 3705 02:48:54,670 --> 02:48:53,300 of things in the fire and I've got a lot 3706 02:48:56,980 --> 02:48:54,680 of projects I'm working on the false 3707 02:48:58,780 --> 02:48:56,990 flag book is very important to me and I 3708 02:48:59,889 --> 02:48:58,790 have not forgotten about it and I'm very 3709 02:49:01,630 --> 02:48:59,899 much looking forward to getting that 3710 02:49:03,309 --> 02:49:01,640 done of getting that out thank you so 3711 02:49:06,400 --> 02:49:03,319 much my friend give my best to Tracy 3712 02:49:08,920 --> 02:49:06,410 enjoy the rest of your morning now out 3713 02:49:10,750 --> 02:49:08,930 there in New York and we'll speak soon 3714 02:49:11,679 --> 02:49:10,760 thank you so much oh it was my pleasure 3715 02:49:15,880 --> 02:49:11,689 thank you Jimmy 3716 02:49:17,469 --> 02:49:15,890 Richard bleepin Dolan and I've went 3717 02:49:18,940 --> 02:49:17,479 through a commercial break I'm going to 3718 02:49:21,280 --> 02:49:18,950 air that now I got to pay the bills so 3719 02:49:22,690 --> 02:49:21,290 I'm gonna do that Richard Dolan 3720 02:49:25,000 --> 02:49:22,700 press.com 3721 02:49:26,980 --> 02:49:25,010 all of the author's all of the research 3722 02:49:29,230 --> 02:49:26,990 all of the knowledge is right there and 3723 02:49:32,110 --> 02:49:29,240 of course he's got his Richard Dolan 3724 02:49:33,610 --> 02:49:32,120 show right here on kgr a with that I'm 3725 02:49:36,700 --> 02:49:33,620 gonna take a quick break I'll come back 3726 02:49:40,990 --> 02:49:36,710 and say good night thank you so much 3727 02:49:41,000 --> 02:50:02,011 [Music] 3728 02:50:10,631 --> 02:50:05,200 and you are listening to my boy Jimmy 3729 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well we can't turn back the clocks and 3785 02:52:41,350 --> 02:52:39,229 go back 10 or 15 years but you can start 3786 02:52:44,500 --> 02:52:41,360 feeling and looking 10 or 15 years 3787 02:52:46,510 --> 02:52:44,510 younger with nature's youth RSF it's a 3788 02:52:48,219 --> 02:52:46,520 doctor formulated daily supplement that 3789 02:52:49,920 --> 02:52:48,229 helps your body maintain its peak 3790 02:52:52,570 --> 02:52:49,930 performance and fight the aging process 3791 02:52:53,920 --> 02:52:52,580 imagine sleeping better looking better 3792 02:52:56,530 --> 02:52:53,930 and feeling better 3793 02:52:58,480 --> 02:52:56,540 see how Nature's youth RSF has helped 3794 02:53:01,179 --> 02:52:58,490 thousands of people just like you at 3795 02:53:03,610 --> 02:53:01,189 nature's youth calm nature's youth calm 3796 02:53:05,050 --> 02:53:03,620 the holidays are coming imagine how it 3797 02:53:06,969 --> 02:53:05,060 will feel when your family and friends 3798 02:53:09,310 --> 02:53:06,979 are asking you what you did to look so 3799 02:53:11,620 --> 02:53:09,320 good your secret will be nature's youth 3800 02:53:14,170 --> 02:53:11,630 RSF it's time to start looking better 3801 02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:14,180 and feeling better learn more in order 3802 02:53:26,450 --> 02:53:16,160 your nature's use RSS at nature's youth 3803 02:53:31,500 --> 02:53:30,149 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3804 02:53:42,030 --> 02:53:31,510 born this way 3805 02:53:43,920 --> 02:53:42,040 KCRA radio.com this is KJ CRA 3806 02:53:57,100 --> 02:53:43,930 Jimmy search Radio gaga 3807 02:54:03,830 --> 02:54:01,011 all right welcome back fade to black got 3808 02:54:06,350 --> 02:54:03,840 to thank Richard Dolan that was two and 3809 02:54:10,131 --> 02:54:06,360 a half straight hours of amazing 3810 02:54:12,410 --> 02:54:10,141 conversation so many takeaways from 3811 02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:12,420 tonight's talk with Richard but that's 3812 02:54:18,650 --> 02:54:15,120 why he is a Richard bleep and Dolan and 3813 02:54:22,700 --> 02:54:18,660 I was just sitting here reading through 3814 02:54:25,240 --> 02:54:22,710 Twitter and your comments and going back 3815 02:54:27,591 --> 02:54:25,250 through all of it there's too much I've 3816 02:54:30,500 --> 02:54:27,601 almost got to go back and listen to this 3817 02:54:34,551 --> 02:54:30,510 show again as all of you should too as 3818 02:54:36,620 --> 02:54:34,561 well but going back to the beginning of 3819 02:54:39,051 --> 02:54:36,630 the show where we were talking about the 3820 02:54:42,500 --> 02:54:39,061 universe and and how we got here in 3821 02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:42,510 those conversations and the possibility 3822 02:54:48,400 --> 02:54:45,930 you know getting into the e th and the e 3823 02:54:51,470 --> 02:54:48,410 t hypothesis the extra-terrestrial 3824 02:54:53,690 --> 02:54:51,480 hypothesis and how that needs to be 3825 02:54:56,030 --> 02:54:53,700 updated and modified and I couldn't 3826 02:54:58,700 --> 02:54:56,040 agree with him more on all of his points 3827 02:55:01,250 --> 02:54:58,710 on that and I think we should sit back 3828 02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:01,260 and and and take a look at that possibly 3829 02:55:06,051 --> 02:55:04,080 rewrite it whether we do it to here on 3830 02:55:08,631 --> 02:55:06,061 this show and and and come up with some 3831 02:55:11,270 --> 02:55:08,641 ideas collectively as a community but we 3832 02:55:14,420 --> 02:55:11,280 need to go back and revisit that and and 3833 02:55:16,910 --> 02:55:14,430 then the other possibilities of what is 3834 02:55:19,310 --> 02:55:16,920 actually visiting is here daily I mean 3835 02:55:22,520 --> 02:55:19,320 right now as I'm speaking to you there 3836 02:55:27,610 --> 02:55:22,530 was stuff going on up there in the skies 3837 02:55:30,381 --> 02:55:27,620 right now and I don't know why things 3838 02:55:32,150 --> 02:55:30,391 tend to be localized Richard brought 3839 02:55:33,470 --> 02:55:32,160 that up that you know it's possible I 3840 02:55:37,511 --> 02:55:33,480 could be a magnet I don't know what's 3841 02:55:41,570 --> 02:55:37,521 going on there but to have these things 3842 02:55:43,250 --> 02:55:41,580 localized at certain moments I find it 3843 02:55:44,990 --> 02:55:43,260 very very fascinating I don't know 3844 02:55:47,180 --> 02:55:45,000 what's going on with that and then we 3845 02:55:51,560 --> 02:55:47,190 had that daytime sighting up there at 3846 02:55:53,750 --> 02:55:51,570 ESET e I can't explain what I saw I'm 3847 02:55:57,080 --> 02:55:53,760 just glad that we had witnesses I do 3848 02:55:59,780 --> 02:55:57,090 have one image that was sent to me of 3849 02:56:01,551 --> 02:55:59,790 that moment and there it is it's there 3850 02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:01,561 and it's very clear 3851 02:56:05,750 --> 02:56:04,170 I'll get the permission to share this 3852 02:56:06,781 --> 02:56:05,760 image that was sent to me and I'll get 3853 02:56:09,541 --> 02:56:06,791 it out there 3854 02:56:11,761 --> 02:56:09,551 but I I don't know you know I don't know 3855 02:56:15,211 --> 02:56:11,771 what is visiting us 3856 02:56:18,381 --> 02:56:15,221 I really don't the next his comments on 3857 02:56:22,111 --> 02:56:18,391 Gaia I think it was very clear on that 3858 02:56:23,281 --> 02:56:22,121 Gaia is is here to stay they're not 3859 02:56:26,701 --> 02:56:23,291 going to go anywhere it's just like any 3860 02:56:28,921 --> 02:56:26,711 network going through some issues well 3861 02:56:30,481 --> 02:56:28,931 yeah well it's just a company like any 3862 02:56:33,211 --> 02:56:30,491 other company I couldn't agree with them 3863 02:56:36,031 --> 02:56:33,221 more but there you go 3864 02:56:38,671 --> 02:56:36,041 wow what a conversation tonight tomorrow 3865 02:56:42,001 --> 02:56:38,681 night is open lines all night long it is 3866 02:56:43,350 --> 02:56:42,011 another Fator night and Jon Rappoport is 3867 02:56:46,081 --> 02:56:43,360 going to be here with there's no more 3868 02:56:48,961 --> 02:56:46,091 fake newsroom live followed by open 3869 02:56:51,541 --> 02:56:48,971 lines all night long so I'll see 3870 02:56:54,180 --> 02:56:51,551 everybody tomorrow night right here on 3871 02:56:58,261 --> 02:56:54,190 fade to black and with that that wraps 3872 02:57:00,600 --> 02:56:58,271 another unbelievable broadcast of fade 3873 02:57:02,131 --> 02:57:00,610 to black fate of blacks executive 3874 02:57:04,051 --> 02:57:02,141 producers ritika Murray on shows 3875 02:57:06,571 --> 02:57:04,061 produced by Hill J Palmer Rene Dennis 3876 02:57:10,171 --> 02:57:06,581 and Bob announcers our Steve Carter Jean 3877 02:57:12,631 --> 02:57:10,181 Patou a mark D Khobar webmaster drew the 3878 02:57:16,111 --> 02:57:12,641 key music doug aldrich intro space boy 3879 02:57:19,140 --> 02:57:16,121 space boy music calm stay to black is 3880 02:57:22,350 --> 02:57:19,150 produced by kjsurya and syndication as 3881 02:57:24,571 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